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Old 04-16-2024, 09:55 AM   #21
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I did a double take on that too. And it's true (96" in KY, MD, NH, NJ also). According to this and this. Every other state is 102". Is this mostly ignored in NY, etc.?

NEW YORK
Maximum RV width 96 in. (102 in. on qualifying or access highways)
Maximum motorhome length 45 ft.
Maximum trailer length 48 ft.
Maximum RV height 13.5 ft.
Maximum combined length for two-vehicle combination 65 ft.
Riding is allowed in truck campers or fifth-wheel trailers. RVs are not allowed in the carpool lane unless posted. Bottled gas is prohibited in tunnels, the lower levels of the George Washington Bridge and the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge, and on I-95 through Manhattan.
No, it’s not ignored. I know of individuals who had trailers impounded when they departed from the approved through-transit routes.
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NY and NJ have lower width limits than the rest of the US. NC has a wider limit (9’) without permits.

This is the reason why so many trailerable boats have a max beam of 8’. It’s not because 8’ magically offers the best performance or design. It’s to keep them legal for trailering in all 50 states without permits.

As mentioned, there are exceptions to permit 8.5’ vehicles to through-transit these states. But off of those designated routes, the 8’ width limit applies:

https://www.dot.ny.gov/nypermits/rep...ction-385.html
I am sort of shocked by this. NY must have a lot of oversized recreational trailers on their roads. I don't know about other brands but as you know any AS > 23' is 102" wide. I did a search and couldn't find any RV threads or references about getting a permit or even a mention of this restriction (maybe I'm using the wrong terms). Also, Colonial AS is in NJ, do the authorities sit and wait for people to pull out of their lot?

Personally, we live in Minnesota so there's no immediate concern but Newfoundland is on the bucket list and we might be going through New England on the way there or back and it would be nice to get off the Interstate and see stuff in NY and NH even if our Airstream isn't street legal.
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Old 04-16-2024, 10:29 AM   #23
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I am sort of shocked by this. NY must have a lot of oversized recreational trailers on their roads. I don't know about other brands but as you know any AS > 23' is 102" wide. I did a search and couldn't find any RV threads or references about getting a permit or even a mention of this restriction (maybe I'm using the wrong terms). Also, Colonial AS is in NJ, do the authorities sit and wait for people to pull out of their lot?

Personally, we live in Minnesota so there's no immediate concern but Newfoundland is on the bucket list and we might be going through New England on the way there or back and it would be nice to get off the Interstate and see stuff in NY and NH even if our Airstream isn't street legal.
Some people gamble and chance it. Others get permits. Many are blissfully ignorant.
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Even with the 23’s 8’ width, you will probably need accessory tow mirrors. Not a big deal - - they are very helpful, easy to mount, and not very expensive.

I'm more concerned about them chaffing or damaging the trucks mirrors. Any suggestion on specific mirrors that won't?
I bought K Source snap-over mirrors for my new Gladiator. I know that they have them for Tundra... I don't know what form factor mirror Tundra years use, so you'll have to check their catalog and see if they have something that works for you.

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I bought K Source snap-over mirrors for my new Gladiator. I know that they have them for Tundra... I don't know what form factor mirror Tundra years use, so you'll have to check their catalog and see if they have something that works for you.

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Wow those are slick. Wish they made them for my TV!
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Some people gamble and chance it. Others get permits. Many are blissfully ignorant.
I couldn't find much of anything on getting a permit and what it costs.
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Old 04-16-2024, 12:14 PM   #27
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I couldn't find much of anything on getting a permit and what it costs.
Can’t help you there. I’ve always stuck at or below 8’ beam/width with our boats and now with our Airstream travel trailer to avoid this hassle.
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Can’t help you there. I’ve always stuck at or below 8’ beam/width with our boats and now with our Airstream travel trailer to avoid this hassle.
So, this has gotten me wondering. I'm going to dig into it some more.

I bugged Colonial AS about it and asked if they knew anything as far as NJ goes. I heard from Partrick fairly quickly and he thought in NJ it is only for commercial vehicles and suggested to contact the NJ authorities. Since I haven't found anything about permitting in NY for recreational trailers, I wonder if it's the same there - just for commercial (ignoring @Bike's testimony for the moment). Maybe I'll try the tourist related government people.

Sorry if I hijacked the thread, I'll start a new one if I get anywhere.
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The only way to tell how much weight is transferred to the trailer axle(s) is to do before and after truck scale measurements. In our case, I believe it is about 300 pounds. That is with a 30 foot Classic with an 1100 pound tongue weight. We towed this trailer for four years with a half ton truck. At the scales, we were at 5000 pounds on the rear axle, the GAWR is 3800. We do NOT travel light! That is what convinced me that we needed to move to a 3/4 ton truck.
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So, this has gotten me wondering. I'm going to dig into it some more.

I bugged Colonial AS about it and asked if they knew anything as far as NJ goes. I heard from Partrick fairly quickly and he thought in NJ it is only for commercial vehicles and suggested to contact the NJ authorities. Since I haven't found anything about permitting in NY for recreational trailers, I wonder if it's the same there - just for commercial (ignoring @Bike's testimony for the moment). Maybe I'll try the tourist related government people.

Sorry if I hijacked the thread, I'll start a new one if I get anywhere.
I like Patrick a lot. But he is mistaken. (He may prefer to remain uninformed because the ambiguity is better for business.)

The 8’ width limit is not limited to commercial vehicles. It applies to privately trailered boats, travel trailers, etc as well as commercial vehicles.
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This might be a stretch...

But how about this...

"The width of a vehicle, inclusive of load, shall be not more than ninety-six inches plus safety devices, except that the maximum width of a vehicle, inclusive of load, shall be one hundred two inches, plus safety devices..."

Is it legaleeze possible the framing of the AS is the 'vehicle' and the camper mounted to it is the 'load' thereby making it allowable? 🤔
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But how about this...

"The width of a vehicle, inclusive of load, shall be not more than ninety-six inches plus safety devices, except that the maximum width of a vehicle, inclusive of load, shall be one hundred two inches, plus safety devices..."

Is it legaleeze possible the framing of the AS is the 'vehicle' and the camper mounted to it is the 'load' thereby making it allowable? ��
But you left out the operative language in that exception: “…on any qualifying or access highway.”

This is the exception which I have mentioned several times that allows an 8.5’ vehicle or trailer to through-transit the state on designated highways. It’s intended to allow vehicles exceeding the usual 8’ width limit (but not to exceed 8.5’) to directly transit across the state on the highway system without obtaining a permit.

However, this exception doesn’t allow for roaming around the state on rural side roads or back roads etc. You have to transit the state by the most direct route possible on the designated highway system without venturing off the route other than for necessary fuel stops in the immediate vicinity of the route.
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...awaiting an email response

In the meantime I contacted the NYDOT permit division via phone. John passed my message to Tom, the permit supervisor, who did return the call. Speaking to Tom I explained what I have, mentioned house coaches and fifth wheels were addressed, but not travel trailers. He said that I was just fine & would not be pulled over for being too wide. The intent was for commercial vehicles. I did spend a week+ driving around NY from VT to the Finger Lake area and parts west & south seeing all manner of LE vehicles and didn't get pulled over.
Curious what the email response will be.
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I bought K Source snap-over mirrors for my new Gladiator. I know that they have them for Tundra... I don't know what form factor mirror Tundra years use, so you'll have to check their catalog and see if they have something that works for you.

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These are what I use on my Tundra. They work great.
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Thumbs up DOT email response...

Looks like we're good to go in NY State (barring I suppose any locally posted restrictions).
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Looks like we're good to go in NY State (barring I suppose any locally posted restrictions).
Thanks! It would have been nice if he gave more of an explanation and I hope you don't need to carry the letter around in case you get pulled over. I will be dropping Thomas Golden's name if it happens to us. I wrote the state tourist office, but haven't heard back yet.
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Thanks! It would have been nice if he gave more of an explanation and I hope you don't need to carry the letter around in case you get pulled over. I will be dropping Thomas Golden's name if it happens to us. I wrote the state tourist office, but haven't heard back yet.
Ditto.

The reply makes no sense and is contrary to the plain language in the written law, and what is well understood in the boating community. In NJ and NY, police occasionally conduct enforcement operations at boat ramps/launch sites to screen for oversized (over-width) trailered boats. Over 8’ gets you a violation.

There is no special exception for travel trailers. (But as previously mentioned there is an exception permitting through-transit on designated highways at up to 102” width.)

Reading the non-specific nature of the question that was asked, it’s possible the individual who responded was referring only to “NYS” or state highways. Which would be consistent with the exception language.

It’s also possible there has been a relatively recent change in the law or its interpretation that relaxed the rules. But I would want something more authoritative than this letter if I was going to rely on it.
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