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04-02-2018, 09:22 AM
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Lost in America
2015 27' FB International
2006 25' Safari FB SE
2004 19' International CCD
Santa Fe
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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My F150 Ecoboost had coil & plugs fail several times while traveling and towing. Not a convenient fix while on the road. When one of these go bad, the truck goes into limp mode. And when that happens, you really have to baby the truck along with no hard acceleration and down shifting to make it over an overpass. Luckily it never happened in the mountains.
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2015 Airstream International Serenity 27FB
2017 Chevy Silverado 2500HD Duramax Diesel
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04-02-2018, 09:31 AM
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#42
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Rivet Master
2007 27' International CCD FB
San Diego
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Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 2,115
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Maintenance cost and TCO goes to... Toyota
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04-02-2018, 09:52 AM
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3 Rivet Member
2014 25' Flying Cloud
New Ashford
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Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 236
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I will never understand these threads.
Discussing the "ECONOMICAL" or "FINANCIAL" differences between GAS & DIESEL is like talking about weather it is better to light your money on fire or flush it down the toilet.
NO DAILY USE VEHICLE IS A FINACIALLY A GOOD INVESTMENT
The only thing that losses value faster that a truck/car is the Airstream Travel trailer your pulling behind it.
Why can't people just buy what the want or "NEED" or any other reason and not have to have some one else tell them its OK or IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE.
I think most of these threads (LIKE tires, tow vehicles, fuel types. ect) at this point are just started to have something to rant about.
THERE IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG ANSWER. It is your money, your vehicle just do what makes YOU happy.
Rant over
Joe D
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04-02-2018, 09:55 AM
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4 Rivet Member
1972 31' Excella 500
2017 30' Classic
Grapeview
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Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 456
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pteck
Maintenance cost and TCO goes to... Toyota
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Can you say LOTUS? Being a Toyota guy, you know the answer.
My wife had a RAV Limited, was not cheep to maintain. Drank gas like a dunk sailor. Every time we turned around got another recall notice. 36k new 2008, sold 2016 w/under 70k, blue book 15k. Was not a good investment for us.
Best regards and safe travels
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2017 Classic
2016 RAM 3500 6.7
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04-02-2018, 10:02 AM
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4 Rivet Member
1972 31' Excella 500
2017 30' Classic
Grapeview
, Washington
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 456
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dexterpix
I will never understand these threads.
Discussing the "ECONOMICAL" or "FINANCIAL" differences between GAS & DIESEL is like talking about weather it is better to light your money on fire or flush it down the toilet.
NO DAILY USE VEHICLE IS A FINACIALLY A GOOD INVESTMENT
The only thing that losses value faster that a truck/car is the Airstream Travel trailer your pulling behind it.
Why can't people just buy what the want or "NEED" or any other reason and not have to have some one else tell them its OK or IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE.
I think most of these threads (LIKE tires, tow vehicles, fuel types. ect) at this point are just started to have something to rant about.
THERE IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG ANSWER. It is your money, your vehicle just do what makes YOU happy.
Rant over
Joe D
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It is called "bantering", better this than discussing politics, right? Let us have our fun. We let you have your "rant" as you called it. Be well.
Best regards and safe travels
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2017 Classic
2016 RAM 3500 6.7
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04-02-2018, 10:19 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2014 28' International
Blacksburg
, Virginia
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 308
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Yeah 'spark plugs' . Whatever.
Had the gas truck. Can't go back.
Load range 'E' tires: set of 4 lets say $ 1100, (maybe a little high)
Three gallons Rotella synthetic, & Fleetgard filter $72.
The smile on your face as you roll up (insert name of 'gap' or mountain) with ease with no worry for the down hillside, and the pleasant, reassuring, 'rattle, rattle, rattle ' as you pull into campsite after a easy 500 mile drive with your CTD D-Ram & AS. After a good nights sleep, do it all over again,
Priceless.
" Six in a row makes a Cummins go. "
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For my next trick, I will use my new AS & Dodge Ram CTD to make this pile of money disappear.
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04-02-2018, 10:37 AM
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Rivet Master
2007 27' International CCD FB
San Diego
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sbowman
Can you say LOTUS? Being a Toyota guy, you know the answer.
My wife had a RAV Limited, was not cheep to maintain. Drank gas like a dunk sailor. Every time we turned around got another recall notice. 36k new 2008, sold 2016 w/under 70k, blue book 15k. Was not a good investment for us.
Best regards and safe travels
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SUV's aren't exactly known for being, miserly? We can also thank the powers that be for watering our gas down with all that ethanol.
Annoying for sure, but...recalls don't generally cost anything?
At $36k, that was a very very pricey RAV! It did retain 41% of it's value after 8 years. If you believe that to be bad, you'd be flabbergasted at just about everything else. To Dexterpix point, cars are generally not known as investments.
Happy camping!
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04-02-2018, 10:49 AM
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Rivet Master
2016 28' International
Sioux Falls
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Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 576
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyvekcat
Yeah 'spark plugs' . Whatever.
Had the gas truck. Can't go back.
Load range 'E' tires: set of 4 lets say $ 1100, (maybe a little high)
Three gallons Rotella synthetic, & Fleetgard filter $72.
The smile on your face as you roll up (insert name of 'gap' or mountain) with ease with no worry for the down hillside, and the pleasant, reassuring, 'rattle, rattle, rattle ' as you pull into campsite after a easy 500 mile drive with your CTD D-Ram & AS. After a good nights sleep, do it all over again,
Priceless.
" Six in a row makes a Cummins go. "
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Good summation! Agreed
I guess it needs to be experienced by more people?
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Mich. LTX w/ 16" Sendels, Centramatics
2017 Ram 2500 4x4 Diesel, CG1800 Bed slide, Leer topper
Better to live one day a lion than a lifetime a sheep. Camp hard, camp often
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04-02-2018, 10:54 AM
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Full time Airstreamer
2014 30' FB FC Bunk
Anywhere
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Join Date: Jan 2014
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott59
I’ve been driving a 3/4 ton diesel for 2 years now and one big advantage , amongst all the others mentioned here, is the fact that when your towing you never have to worry about getting into tight space gas stations.
I only stop at truck stops. Flying J is the best, many more are very clean and have restaurants attached. There is always lots of room to pull your rig into and if the auto area looks too tight I simply pull into the fuel pumps with the big rigs, easy Peezy!
Can’t imagine being restricted to gasoline pumps in auto fuel stations, they often are too busy and too tight.
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On the other hand the chances of not finding diesel, or finding diesel that might be suspect (water logged), in some desolate place is much greater than with gas. Generally can find gas anywhere. Of course the diesel goes farther per tank.
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04-02-2018, 10:55 AM
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Full time Airstreamer
2014 30' FB FC Bunk
Anywhere
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Aside from diesel repairs being far more expensive than gas, I've heard horror stories about diesel repairs taking a long time. Like someone rolling into a Ford/Chevy/Dodge dealer with a diesel issue and there being no mechanic available for a week or more.
Any diesel owners seeing that?
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04-02-2018, 10:57 AM
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Full time Airstreamer
2014 30' FB FC Bunk
Anywhere
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There's a lot of liberty being taken in threads like these. I don't think you can compare an older diesel to the newer ones with emissions control. The gas mileage and repair costs on the older ones are far superior.
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04-02-2018, 11:15 AM
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Rivet Master
2016 28' International
Sioux Falls
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Join Date: Oct 2017
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SCOTTinNJ
There's a lot of liberty being taken in threads like these. I don't think you can compare an older diesel to the newer ones with emissions control. The gas mileage and repair costs on the older ones are far superior.
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Agreed, the newer ones can get up into the 20’s mpg if you take all the emissions crap off. Problem is, it voids the warranty.
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Mich. LTX w/ 16" Sendels, Centramatics
2017 Ram 2500 4x4 Diesel, CG1800 Bed slide, Leer topper
Better to live one day a lion than a lifetime a sheep. Camp hard, camp often
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04-02-2018, 12:35 PM
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Rivet Master
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Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SCOTTinNJ
Aside from diesel repairs being far more expensive than gas, I've heard horror stories about diesel repairs taking a long time. Like someone rolling into a Ford/Chevy/Dodge dealer with a diesel issue and there being no mechanic available for a week or more.
Any diesel owners seeing that?
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It depends on the model and the break-down location. With Ford, just as an example, all dealers should have techs trained up on the Powerstroke. With the new F150 diesel, Ford is expecting to sell no more than 5% of F150s with the diesel option, so typically dealers won't train up as many techs on that product, and parts could be more scarce in other than urban areas.
With the RAM, any dealer selling RAM trucks will be familiar with the Cummins. The VM Motori Ecodiesel OTOH may not have as many techs trained.
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04-02-2018, 12:36 PM
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Site Team
2017 30' International
Broomfield
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Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 3,555
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Gas vs Diesel costs
Quote:
Originally Posted by DBinSD
Agreed, the newer ones can get up into the 20’s mpg if you take all the emissions crap off. Problem is, it voids the warranty.
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And it, um, destroys the environment and clean air us humans need to survive ...
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04-02-2018, 12:37 PM
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Rivet Master
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wulfraat
And it, um, destroys the environment and clean air us humans need to survive ...
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What wulfraat said.
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04-02-2018, 12:54 PM
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Site Team
2017 30' International
Broomfield
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Join Date: Apr 2009
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Gas vs Diesel costs
BTW - I own a latest generation diesel truck (‘17 duramax LP5), so don’t interpret my last post to mean that I am anti-diesel...
Personally - I totally appreciate the amount of engineering an innovation that was put into this brand new power plant - it is both the most ecologically friendly (as friendly as burning diesel can be given current emissions technology) and most powerful engine that GM have produced for a full sized 3/4 - 1 ton truck.
Burning diesel has nasty nasty pollution side effects if you don’t treat the output, and innovation has come a long way in doing so.
The LP5 like other next generation diesels does show that you can have it all (torque, HP, fuel economy, reduced emissions) if you put engineering behind the problem at hand.
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04-02-2018, 01:02 PM
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Rivet Master
2016 28' International
Sioux Falls
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Join Date: Oct 2017
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wulfraat
And it, um, destroys the environment and clean air us humans need to survive ...
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On a 1500 mile trip. Diesel gets 16mpg (94g used) and gas gets 12 mpg (125g used).
Diesel emits 2104 pounds of CO2 (assuming 22.38/g)
Gas emits 2455 pounds of CO2 (assuming 19.65/g)
I'm not seeing the destruction, unless you are not talking this particular Green House gas? Of course, your milage calcs my be different.
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Mich. LTX w/ 16" Sendels, Centramatics
2017 Ram 2500 4x4 Diesel, CG1800 Bed slide, Leer topper
Better to live one day a lion than a lifetime a sheep. Camp hard, camp often
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04-02-2018, 01:07 PM
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Rivet Master
2016 28' International
Sioux Falls
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Not an argument, just that diesel gets a bad wrap because you can "see" it.
Todays diesel engines burn with less emissions (more particulates) than Gas.
Yes, taking the "crap" off affects those emissions but, significantly better MPG means less fuel burned as well. Does it wash?
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2016 Int. Signature 28' w/ ProPride 3P-1400 Hitch
Mich. LTX w/ 16" Sendels, Centramatics
2017 Ram 2500 4x4 Diesel, CG1800 Bed slide, Leer topper
Better to live one day a lion than a lifetime a sheep. Camp hard, camp often
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04-02-2018, 01:18 PM
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Rivet Master
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DBinSD
Not an argument, just that diesel gets a bad wrap because you can "see" it.
Todays diesel engines burn with less emissions than Gas.
Yes, taking the "crap" off affects those emissions but, significantly better MPG means less fuel burned as well. Does it wash?
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No, it doesn’t wash. Check the NOx, and particulates.
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04-02-2018, 01:27 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 27' International CCD FB
San Diego
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DBinSD
On a 1500 mile trip. Diesel gets 16mpg (94g used) and gas gets 12 mpg (125g used).
Diesel emits 2104 pounds of CO2 (assuming 22.38/g)
Gas emits 2455 pounds of CO2 (assuming 19.65/g)
I'm not seeing the destruction, unless you are not talking this particular Green House gas? Of course, your milage calcs my be different.
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Don't be too happy with that. The harmful to health diesel emissions are generally more the nitrogen oxides and particulates. Diesel exhaust has been identified as a carcinogen. So an additional thank you to those that rip the emissions devices off.
I'll sit on my high horse with a Ultra-Low Emission Vehicle (ULEV II) tow vehicle. (Waiting for an EV guy to roast me )
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