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Old 03-30-2018, 10:20 PM   #301
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I Decide that I needed as much torque and horsepower as I could get. So I tow with a Porsche Cayenne Turbo S. 521HP 535lb-ft torque. It's a few years old now but it sure gets the job done. It can tow a 5000lb boat and trailer from 0-60 in 9 seconds. Will also pull an Airbus A380 without weight distribution or sway control!
That's cheating. You're playing with a nuclear reactor while the rest of us are just burning old dinosaurs.
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Old 03-31-2018, 08:54 AM   #302
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[QUOTE=DBinSD;2082536]

Is a gasser faster, YES!
What works less hard pulling load? Diesel
Which is better for passing? Gasser
Which is better for steep long grades? Diesel

Neither will be "better" for the other person as they chose what was the BEST FIT for their equipment!

Just me 2cents

Travel safe guys!

Concur w/your closing statement. However statements on comparing current gas vs. diesel. Not so sure gasser's are faster or pass better than today,s big diesels. Would agree looking 20 years back.

Driven many stout gasser's over the years. 1st diesel for us, continues to put BIG SMILE on my face w/what it does or can do towing or not towing.

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Old 03-31-2018, 11:53 AM   #303
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That's cheating. You're playing with a nuclear reactor while the rest of us are just burning old dinosaurs.
Lol! Just burning old dinosaurs like everyone else. Don't want the nuclear physicists in this forum getting worked up and derailing this thread.
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I'm new to diesel and keep reading how expensive diesels are. Got a '16 Duramax and think operating a diesel is less expensive per mile. In central TX, regular is $2.19 and diesel is 2.59. That's 18% higher. And with 11 mpg(you) vs 15.6 mpg(me) towing, that's 42% better mileage. So, around 60k, my fuel costs are $4500 less?

What am I missing?

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Are you really getting over 15 towing? I've spoken with a lot of people at various campgrounds throughout the country that don't break 12 or 13 with a modern diesel in a 3/4 to 1 ton.
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Old 04-01-2018, 05:02 PM   #305
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Are you really getting over 15 towing? I've spoken with a lot of people at various campgrounds throughout the country that don't break 12 or 13 with a modern diesel in a 3/4 to 1 ton.


My 2005 Ram 2500 Diesel avg. towing was 14-16.

My 2017 Ram 2500 Diesel just towed 5180lbs for 1680 miles and avg. was 16.89 going through Idaho on way to South Dakota. Had several good climbs.

It has a 3.44 final drive ratio.
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Please, if you're quoting a MPG figure, can you add if its hand calculated or computer readout display figures.
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Old 04-01-2018, 05:22 PM   #307
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Please, if you're quoting a MPG figure, can you add if its hand calculated or computer readout display figures.


Pump to pump (by hand) using total miles driven / total gallons filled.
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Pump to pump (by hand) using total miles driven / total gallons filled.
What are you getting in mixed driving? Say a bit of towing and some around town stuff. With idling?

I'm pretty well pinned at 12-13 mpg.
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Old 04-01-2018, 10:50 PM   #309
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What are you getting in mixed driving? Say a bit of towing and some around town stuff. With idling?

I'm pretty well pinned at 12-13 mpg.
What year is yours?

I have not had much mixed driving.

I really have not had much non towing freeway either.

My around town has been between 16-18. That is not much traffic lights and about 16-20 minutes each way drives.

I expect to get around 20-21 freeway non laden.
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What year is yours?

I have not had much mixed driving.

I really have not had much non towing freeway either.

My around town has been between 16-18. That is not much traffic lights and about 16-20 minutes each way drives.

I expect to get around 20-21 freeway non laden.
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Old 04-02-2018, 07:15 AM   #311
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2017 f250 6.2L crew cab standard bed 4x4. I do have a cap with roof racks and about 300-400 lbs in the bed.


I will have my cap and a bedslide installed in May. However, I donít see that making much difference.

My F350 Powerstroke in 2002 got around 13-14 towing. It had just a cap.
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Old 04-02-2018, 07:31 AM   #312
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Several months ago, I traded in my 2015 Ram/Cummins 2500 for a 2018 Ram/Cummins 3500. The 2500 had 30K miles on it, probably over 95% towing my AS 27 at 60-65 mph. On the basis of gallons used, the 30K miles resulted in 13.5 mpg. I once took a trip from Seattle to Portland on the I-5 fwy at 65 mph unloaded and got 22 mpg. I have gotten over 16 mpg towing the AS, from Seattle to Salt Lake at 60-65 mph, but that was on flat freeways. Once I hit the mountains going from Provo to Pueblo over a 11K ft pass, my mpg dropped to 10.
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Old 04-02-2018, 07:49 AM   #313
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I once took a trip from Seattle to Portland on the I-5 fwy at 65 mph unloaded and got 22 mpg.
Seattle to Portland is down hill

If I can maintain speed right at 60mph my avg MPG is much better, obviously when compared to my need to go over 65.
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What are you getting in mixed driving? Say a bit of towing and some around town stuff. With idling?

I'm pretty well pinned at 12-13 mpg.
Look at the weights of the trailer.....makes a difference...and the different gear ratios....my 07 was 3.73....16-17 mpg empty.....my 17 with 3.54ís gets 20 empty...both have 6.7 Cummins
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Look at the weights of the trailer.....makes a difference...and the different gear ratios....my 07 was 3.73....16-17 mpg empty.....my 17 with 3.54ís gets 20 empty...both have 6.7 Cummins


The final drive ratios are what I feel is a huge difference.
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I almost bought a 2018 Tundra, but the engine and drive train tech is very old. Gas mileage was 13 mpg. I use the truck as a daily commuter and couldnít bear that low number, when competitors are getting 22 or better.

Toyota guys told me they are losing sales because of this and waiting for the next gen to come out that will put the truck back on par with the others.

They sure are pretty though, and reliable. I went with the f150 EB, 2018. Maybe upgrade in three years to a larger truck, we will see....
I get 17-18 mpg with my Tundra 10-12 towing. Maybe you were comparing mpg of towing Tundra vs non-towing Ford? Iím not giving up the reliability for a couple of miles per gallon. But this is a gas v diesel debate. Very enjoyable by the way. I really think if I had a bigger trailer, and I full timed in it traveling all over the country, Iíd have a diesel.
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Old 04-03-2018, 06:31 AM   #317
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I get 17-18 mpg with my Tundra 10-12 towing. Maybe you were comparing mpg of towing Tundra vs non-towing Ford? Iím not giving up the reliability for a couple of miles per gallon. But this is a gas v diesel debate. Very enjoyable by the way. I really think if I had a bigger trailer, and I full timed in it traveling all over the country, Iíd have a diesel.
They both have a mediocre 36k mile warranty. Who would buy a $40k truck with a warranty like that baffles me.
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Itís because the Toyota trucks have very few issues that might need a long warranty period....at least thatís my experience with all the Toyota Trucks in our extended family.

Sometimes when I get real cynical I suspect a super long warranty period for a vehicle is an indication of compensation for a real or perceived reliability issue...
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They both have a mediocre 36k mile warranty. Who would buy a $40k truck with a warranty like that baffles me.
Who cares if you don’t need it. I always buy used. I bought my 2012 in 2014. Saved a lot of $$. I think it had a small warranty, but I never had a claim. I’ve put 44,000 miles on it, along with the 30,000 it already had.
I guess the whole, “warranty being high priority” factor goes away when it doesn’t get used.

I would guess any automaker factored in some cost to a vehicle for adding a very long term warranty. I could be wrong. I’d just as soon the automaker put that money into improved quality.
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Who cares if you donít need it. I always buy used. I bought my 2012 in 2014. Saved a lot of $$. I think it had a small warranty, but I never had a claim. Iíve put 44,000 miles on it, along with the 30,000 it already had.
I guess the whole, ďwarranty being high priorityĒ factor goes away when it doesnít get used.

I would guess any automaker factored in some cost to a vehicle for adding a very long term warranty. I could be wrong. Iíd just as soon the automaker put that money into improved quality.
All the people that did need it! Don't you remember the longer warranties a few years back?
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