Gas verses Diesel Tow Vehicle

[2012FB]

I routinely travel over numerous 6%+ grades with our 30’. There is absolutely no comparison when setting the cruise at the speed limit then just sitting back and relaxing. If I need to slow down in a tight curve I use the cruise controls. I never need to touch the brakes unless cut off. Have owned most brands both gas and diesel. Last 4 in a row diesel would never consider gas again.

[r carl]

Originally Posted by sbowman

I wounder, will we be able to get out of the driveway before "recharge required"?

Best regards and Safe travels

The great big battery will fit nicely in the box.

[r carl]

Originally Posted by 2012FB

I routinely travel over numerous 6%+ grades with our 30’. There is absolutely no comparison when setting the cruise at the speed limit then just sitting back and relaxing. If I need to slow down in a tight curve I use the cruise controls. I never need to touch the brakes unless cut off. Have owned most brands both gas and diesel. Last 4 in a row diesel would never consider gas again.

Not all can afford to constantly own a diesel that is in warranty.

[2012FB]

Need company write off every few years. When I retire I’ll stick with the last one till the end. Might just be our current 2018 Duramax.

[SilverGate]

Originally Posted by franklyfrank

Just to keep things in balance. Went from a F-150 ecoboost to an F-250 with the "Big Honking Diesel" when we got our 30' Classic.
I will never go back to a gaser should we even downsize the Airstream. Love the awesome power and torque, love sitting up high, love the worry free descent on in the mountains. I even enjoy driving it solo and avoid driving the car. And I could care less about the extra cost of purchase and maintenance, its one of my favorite toys. There is a great German proverb " The Last Shirt Has No Pockets".
Full disclosure, spent my working life in infrastructure construction, to me the diesel smell and sound are perfume and music.

Our 2006 F-250 4×2 Crew Cab Super Duty XLT diesel truck is a thriving star that has dependably pulled our Airstream trailer to our favorite beach, mountain and desert campsites in San Diego County for the past 10 years, has only 22,728 miles on it and is still going strong!

A feeling of confidence is important to me when towing up and over our mountains to get to our favorite desert campsites!

[r carl]

Originally Posted by 2012FB

Need company write off every few years. When I retire I’ll stick with the last one till the end. Might just be our current 2018 Duramax.

If I was to choose one to own out of warranty it would be a Duramax.

[franklyfrank]

Originally Posted by sbowman

Cummins. Lets see, Ford has changed design/suppliers how many times in the past 20 years? If it an't broken why change?

You have just proven my point.
I could fill a book about the many pieces of junk and inferior products that have been put out there by every single one of the brand names out there at one time or another. And I mean All Of Them.

[pappy19]

Cummins has changed pistons, valves and soot bag disaster. Not to mention a 15 year transmission problem. Lord help you Cummins folks if you get bad fuel or the engine gets too hot, big money. Not to mention the terrible frames that bend if tweaked. I have 2 friends that switched from Cords to Ram Cummins and after 50k, their interior is falling apart and one has a tranny issue. So what is in the past for all the major 3 diesel pickup trucks, is past. Now, it really looks like the Ford F150 diesel may be the next "go to" new diesel engine option that will be the one to beat.

[KCCO]

Originally Posted by pappy19

Cummins has changed pistons, valves and soot bag disaster. Not to mention a 15 year transmission problem. Lord help you Cummins folks if you get bad fuel or the engine gets too hot, big money. Not to mention the terrible frames that bend if tweaked. I have 2 friends that switched from Cords to Ram Cummins and after 50k, their interior is falling apart and one has a tranny issue. So what is in the past for all the major 3 diesel pickup trucks, is past. Now, it really looks like the Ford F150 diesel may be the next "go to" new diesel engine option that will be the one to beat.

Do you ever stop? Dear heavens give it a break already.

[2012FB]

I have a number of friends that run Cummins and love them. I cold start and warm mine up in the driveway. The Duramax is hands down the quietest. My neighbors would kill me if it was a Dodge. The last 3 quiet Fords were quiet till the first service visit and they flash the pilot injection out which was apparently causing problems. To each his favorite and I applaud your loyalty.

[tjdonahoe]

Originally Posted by pappy19

Cummins has changed pistons, valves and soot bag disaster. Not to mention a 15 year transmission problem. Lord help you Cummins folks if you get bad fuel or the engine gets too hot, big money. Not to mention the terrible frames that bend if tweaked. I have 2 friends that switched from Cords to Ram Cummins and after 50k, their interior is falling apart and one has a tranny issue. So what is in the past for all the major 3 diesel pickup trucks, is past. Now, it really looks like the Ford F150 diesel may be the next "go to" new diesel engine option that will be the one to beat.

110,000 miles on an 07... all towing a 31’ Classic...04 then a 13.... never been the shop...no problems.....now we have a 17 , now has 16,000 miles...so far no problems or shop time.....I have owned all fords 9 of them....then ford came up with the 6 liter....that was a real deal....and junk....no more fords for me....ever..and I do own 2 model A ‘s and a T.....

[franklyfrank]

Originally Posted by Isuzusweet

The crazy thing is......in the not too distant future, this thread will be redundant, as you will be choosing an electric tow vehicle; better torque, acceleration, no altitude hp loss, cheaper to maintain.....the list goes on.

Right now the big three are all looking at each other wondering who's going to bring one to market first......my bet is FCA and RAM.

Cheers
Sidekick Tony

Not in your lifetime if ever.

[Isuzusweet]

Originally Posted by franklyfrank

Not in your lifetime if ever.

Jeez, I was hoping I'd last more than five more years.🤔

Seriously, an electric vehicle is coming to a driveway near you, sooner than you'd think.

Cheers
Sidekick Tony

[Roadtech]

Originally Posted by Isuzusweet

Seriously, an electric vehicle is coming to a driveway near you, sooner than you'd think.

Fire up those shuttered coal fired power plants and nuclear reactors 'cause we gonna need a mega load of electricity to power all those electric vehicles...

[mojo]

Originally Posted by Isuzusweet

Jeez, I was hoping I'd last more than five more years.🤔

Seriously, an electric vehicle is coming to a driveway near you, sooner than you'd think.

Cheers
Sidekick Tony

With a payload of 2000 lb+, tow rating of 11,000 lb+, and a range of 500+ miles?

[Isuzusweet]

Originally Posted by mojo

With a payload of 2000 lb+, tow rating of 11,000 lb+, and a range of 500+ miles?

Workhorse pick ups has an electric hybrid (motor drives generator for electric drive motors), that has the equivalent of 480 hp, 5 seconds, 0-60mph, 1/2 ton for now but 3/4 and 1 ton in the works that can go 180 miles on just pure electric.

You should go and check out my thread

When will you go electric with your next tow vehicle.

[sbowman]

Originally Posted by r carl

The great big battery will fit nicely in the box.

I have fear a standard 8' bed may not be large enough and if not, does this mean using your electric TV to tow the battery to power your TV? Great, now you have to tow your battery w/a bunch of HAZMAT signage on the battery being towed. What do we do w/our AS's?

Best regards and safe travels

[mojo]

Originally Posted by Isuzusweet

Workhorse pick ups has an electric hybrid (motor drives generator for electric drive motors), that has the equivalent of 480 hp, 5 seconds, 0-60mph, 1/2 ton for now but 3/4 and 1 ton in the works that can go 180 miles on just pure electric.

You should go and check out my thread

When will you go electric with your next tow vehicle.

According to the Workhorse website, it can only do 80 miles on electric, but has a gasoline engine that will allow another 310 miles. This is not an electric vehicle.

Nice idea, maybe, some day in the remote future.

[pteck]

In the great gas vs diesel debate, diesels are not always the best option. Each motor and platform should be considered on its own merits. As we know, not all gas motors are created equal. Some are economy oriented, while others breathe fire. Same with diesels. So the argument is never so simple.

Here's an interesting case study that diesel is not always a great answer, even one with 310 hp and 555 lb-ft torque.

Take the diesel Titan XD. It has generally gotten really bad marks, with Car and Driver saying "most disappointing new vehicles we've evaluated." For lackluster acceleration (9.4 seconds to 60 mph, unladen), ponderous motions, questionable reliability issues (injector, EGR, DEF system), thirst for DEF, and expensive maintenance. But Cummins you say?

Compared to its identical 5.6L gas powered Titan brethren (390hp, 394tq):

- The 5.6L gas Titan XD, has a lower tow rating, but 500lb HIGHER payload rating on account of its engine being lighter
- Gas Titan XD is WAY quicker - 0 to 60 mph in 7.4 seconds (vs 9.4sec) , and quarter-mile in 15.8 seconds (vs 17 sec)
- TFL IKE Guantlet towing test - Diesel was 46 seconds slower!!, towing same heavy load

For those of you that misunderstand the meaning of torque.

I give you Horsepower (it includes torque!). And Weight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVDoo5fiLCg

[sbowman]

Originally Posted by Isuzusweet

Workhorse pick ups has an electric hybrid (motor drives generator for electric drive motors), that has the equivalent of 480 hp, 5 seconds, 0-60mph, 1/2 ton for now but 3/4 and 1 ton in the works that can go 180 miles on just pure electric.

You should go and check out my thread

When will you go electric with your next tow vehicle.

Me not in this life. Would consider nuke power. Would not have to buy fuel for 50 years. Is Justin Trudeau your neighbor? Just ribbing you.

Best regards and safe travels