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Old 12-28-2015, 10:51 PM   #1
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Question Ford Raptor 6.2L as Tow Vehicle


Just out of general curiosity. We have a pal here towing his 2015 Airstream 23D with a Ford Raptor. I have loved these trucks forever. And we'll we've considered going larger, we still manage with the half ton because we don't carry anything in the truck but our butts. And if you've seen our posts we're into off-roading.

The 2014 Ford Raptor Crew cab is rated at 8000lbs towing, and I'm just curious how many people out there might be towing with a Raptor. That's under what our Ram tows at, but last time across the scales we weighted 6890 on the Airstream with WD applied. Recently I've done more tongue weight reduction.

Fast Lane Truck did a tow test against the F250 and they perform similar. Raptor has a soft soft rear end though.



As a favor, I do a lot of thinking out loud on this forum, so try not to post "You're going to die and kill others on the road comments" Cheers.


PS: The 2017 Raptor, OMG is this not beautiful?
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Old 12-29-2015, 12:01 AM   #2
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If you get serious, check with Andrew Thomson at Can-Am about this. He recently posted he has set up some Raptors and they towed quite well. I think he liked the long suspension travel and wide stance.

They certainly push out some metal to give it a muscular look, but I'd have to adjust to that 2017 face.
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Old 12-29-2015, 12:09 AM   #3
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Thought about it, but only in the form of the VelociRaptor:

Hennessey's Ford Raptor‚€“Based VelociRaptor SUV: Eight Seats, 600 hp ‚€“ News ‚€“ Car and Driver | Car and Driver Blog

If only I had $150k to piss away on a depreciating asset.
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Old 12-29-2015, 12:50 AM   #4
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Don't forget about the Power Wagon from Dodge(Ram). About the same money but better towing and cargo specs. Plus it has Off Road features that are hard to beat. Solid front axle, Built in winch, etc. Raptor is a great truck but is limited on towing and cargo capacity for anything heavier than a 25 footer. Just saying.
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Old 12-29-2015, 05:17 AM   #5
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I'm about the same way as the above posters at least on current gen Raptors.....mmm maybe.... Too little towing and payload though, especially against the new gen regular F150. I had a neighbor with one for like 4 years, and he just traded for a new F350 crew 4x4 dually PS. He liked it but it sucked fuel and really wasn't up to the towing tasks he needed (electrical contractor with heavy cargo trailers).

When we were shopping for a new mule I seriously considered an F250 with the 6.2L v8 like the Raptor (probably de-tuned some) and while a nice engine, it still likes to rev on grades, and I think? needs premium to make all of its power. Like Doug, I'd had to learn to appreciate that '17 front end. I'm just getting used to the big eyes on our '15 F150, and that new Raptor reminds me of the giant cockroach wearing Edgar's skin in "Men in Black". "There..... is that better?" heh heh
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Old 12-29-2015, 05:24 AM   #6
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My initial thought was "Hell Yaaaa", In a heart beat, but in reality I'd have to agree with ShinyPete's remarks. I'm all for romping-stoming high performance, but in the long run to pull my AS, I'd go diesel. Do like the way you think!
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It sure is pretty.
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Old 12-29-2015, 08:43 AM   #8
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We use our 2013 Raptor to tow our AS with no issues. At least so far I have not had any issues. And like Dingo Girl said - it sure is pretty.

Also not a fan of the new face on the 17
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Don't forget about the Power Wagon from Dodge(Ram). About the same money but better towing and cargo specs. Plus it has Off Road features that are hard to beat. Solid front axle, Built in winch, etc. Raptor is a great truck but is limited on towing and cargo capacity for anything heavier than a 25 footer. Just saying.
Yeah there are trade offs though, you can't get the bigger Hemi in anything but the newest Power Wagon. Also once you cross over into 3/4 ton you end up losing a lot of the nimbleness that comes with a smaller truck.

So American Expedition Vehicles makes a really sweet 2500 Ram they call the "Prospector" that is setup as an expo rig, roof top tent and all. If I had 80K to spend. . .





The 2017 Ford Raptor on sale late 2016 will have a EcoBoost twin turbo 3.0L engine, that Ford is claiming will have more power and torque compared to the out going 6.2L which would be an interesting feat. Since the F250's 6.2L is detuned and the Raptor I believe is 411 hp @ 5500 rpm, 434 lb∑ft. I'm curious to see how much of a boost they can get.
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Old 12-29-2015, 12:34 PM   #10
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I'm pulling my 30' Classic with my Raptor. It's probably not the most efficient setup but it sure does look pretty.

Frankly, I never thought I'd be towing an Airstream when I bought my 2014 Raptor. Now that I've got the trailer, I'm pretty happy with the setup but am guessing that I'll need to move to a heavier duty tow vehicle in the long run.
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Old 12-29-2015, 01:03 PM   #11
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I have a close friend with a 2014 Raptor and he tows heavy all the time, including a 4 horse trailer loaded. No problems. The other advantage is if you ever do decide to trade, you will have no problems getting the highest book values compared to other brands.
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The 2017 Ford Raptor on sale late 2016 will have a EcoBoost twin turbo 3.0L engine, that Ford is claiming will have more power and torque compared to the out going 6.2L which would be an interesting feat. Since the F250's 6.2L is detuned and the Raptor I believe is 411 hp @ 5500 rpm, 434 lb∑ft. I'm curious to see how much of a boost they can get.
Not sure if that was a typo but the Raptor should be coming out with a version of the 3.5 EcoBoost that's out now. Either way, I don't suspect pulling power is going to be an issue.

Suspension might. But I think you know that already.

I will be most interested in seeing what the 10 speed transmission does for towing. Yes it will be able to find the right gear more often, but the constant shifting could be tiring to the driver and possibly add a lot of heat to the transmission, no? Than again everyone seems to be going to 8 and 10 speeds so maybe I'm incorrect.
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We use our 2013 Raptor to tow our AS with no issues. At least so far I have not had any issues. And like Dingo Girl said - it sure is pretty.

Also not a fan of the new face on the 17

Mind posting your payload value from your yellow tire loading sticker on the driver's doorjamb?

I was under the impression that Raptors where "payload challenged"?
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Raptors are cute little trucks....that's about it..

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Old 12-29-2015, 02:48 PM   #15
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How about a Dodge SRT ,V10 with cold air intake with after market injectors and stainless headers?
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BA, have you broken out the weight of the gear in the bed? (And I admired the neatness and systemization of same in a pic of yours).

TW, I gather, you've isolated as a number. And I'd guess you have WD tension-applied numbers for the TV per wheel as well.

The Raptor is a toy. Same as a Powerwagon. See where you are first, numbers wise. Axle ratings percentages, etc. A spreadsheet to use with any new TV.

I'd happily make the wager one of the toys has steering worse than the more ordinary trucks once loaded and hitched. I'd be concerned about braking as well. (No ones going to persuade me that toy truck off-road tires are an acceptable substitute).

If Andy has set up a few, fax him those acquired numbers for an opinion.

I say the full timer load tips the balance the wrong way . . but what I consider that load to be and what you all consider it, is, I think, the real question involved.

Will be interesting to see which way you wind up going.
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Possibly the new Raptor will have a higher towing capacity?
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Why not just make your Ram ( i think that is what you have) a very capable off truck? New shocks and springs all around with new tires and wheels would save a bunch of money, not change your towing capacity and give a better ride.

Check out Icon. Complete Suspension Systems - ICON Vehicle Dynamics

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BA, have you broken out the weight of the gear in the bed? (And I admired the neatness and systemization of same in a pic of yours).
I still don't have a lot of stuff. We've actually dropped weight on the hitch with the removal of the batteries and the spare tire. I've always been within 100lbs of the limit, so add back in a few more. Cat scale verified. But as the kids get older, they get heavier.

I'm going to probably end up in a 3/4 ton eventually when I get more stuff, but this is one of those, wouldn't it be cool threads.

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Why not just make your Ram ( i think that is what you have) a very capable off truck? New shocks and springs all around with new tires and wheels would save a bunch of money, not change your towing capacity and give a better ride.

Check out Icon. Complete Suspension Systems - ICON Vehicle Dynamics

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Not a fan of Icon. Prefer RadFlo. Anyways, I already have done that, but as mentioned earlier, if you're going to tow a lot (which we do because we're full time) the balance is very difficult. You can't go too far in the off-road department without ruining the towing department.

We have beefed up suspension, mild lift 2.5" front, 4" rear unloaded, upgraded shocks, AT tires that are +1 in size. My height is just a smidge above a 2500 Ram but I have better ground clearance because of the smaller 1500 frame rails.

The reality sunk in today with some friends. I will never need much more than I have because I have a truck. We took Rock House Trail to Rock Canyon and the truck made it a mile in before I had to pull over and ride in a Jeep. Fact is, the wheelbase is just long. Forest roads, sand washes, and desert lake beds, but jeep trails. I should of bought a Class A and a Jeep.

But that's ok. Man can day dream.

Still, tell me that 2500 Prospector isn't bad ___ looking.
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Old 12-30-2015, 07:35 AM   #20
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I think you said it yourself. A good tow vehicle will make for a lousy off-roader - and vice versa.
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