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Old 08-09-2021, 12:31 PM   #21
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Old 08-09-2021, 01:41 PM   #22
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I have a 2020 F150 XLT Ecoboost MAX payload with 20 inch wheels (increases rear axle rating and tongue weight capacity). I have no problem pulling a 28’. Use propride hitch. No sway. Pulls and handles wonderfully. I also have Roadmaster suspension system.

I don’t know what the Powerboost system is like. So can’t speak to it.

I didn’t want an F250. They have a terrible turning radius, and I am often in tighter spots due to my job as an appraiser. Also I drove a 3/4 ton vs a 1/2 ton and yes they are different in ride and handling.

My wife and I only go out for a week or so at a time and maybe 4 times a year. I put the light stuff in the bed of the pickup. We have no problem with payload. Put the heavier stuff in the trailer.

Also an F250 is about 6 inches higher to get into. That makes it difficult to get stuff in and out of the bed of the truck. That was another consideration.

Also read this article from an expert that sets up vehicles for towing.

https://www.rvlifemag.com/towing-hal...e-quarter-ton/
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Old 08-09-2021, 02:03 PM   #23
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All great comments and thank you. Doesn't seem the hybrid/generator piece changes the debate much at all. Keeping with the 3/4 ton plans.
Agree with keeping the 3/4 ton plan, but to each his own. Hereís a slightly different way to think about it. Every single time you go somewhere towing your airstream, you will reap the benefits of the 3/4 ton tow vehicle. Stability, stopping power, payload, etc. Every time. The 150 hyb with generator is only able to match that value add if you are 100% boondocking, *and* need lots of electrical power for your style of camping and that seems unlikely. More likely you will have campground electrical quite often. Additionally, there are effective alternatives for power (portable gen, solar) that are readily available as enhancement or upgrade after the fact. As a practical matter, there is no cost effective way to make a 1/2 ton vehicle into the equivalent of a (same brand/model year) 3/4 ton vehicle after the fact.
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Old 08-09-2021, 02:39 PM   #24
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I got a F-150 with 2441 pounds payload, that's more than many F-250, and close to 12000 towing. That more then enough to feel save and pleasant to drive. I don't have any problem towing my FC 25 7300 pound. the truck has 50000 km with a trailer and 40000 km without . I had many F350 diesel, it's my 4th Eco-boost and wont go back.
I looked for the Hybrid, the payload is not high enough, I hope the electric one will have enough payload.
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Old 08-09-2021, 02:56 PM   #25
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Also read this article from an expert that sets up vehicles for towing.

https://www.rvlifemag.com/towing-hal...e-quarter-ton/
Interesting article and certainly a few things I had never heard/read before.
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Great points mentioned around the hybrid too. I think I'm over that piece.
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Old 08-09-2021, 03:44 PM   #27
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Lots of valuable insights in that article and I totally agree about power, in that I always felt I had plenty of power, for my trailer anyway. Three things stick out in my mind as I re-read some sections and content. The first is the tail end of the final summary … “ just to satisfy an arbitrary number that does not actually matter when towing? “. Presuming his inference is 1/2 ton vs 3/4 ton as that number, I don’t agree that it is arbitrary. It conveys a great deal of initial information in regard to the more heavy duty nature of the frame and related critical components. The second is he spends a good deal of time describing upgrades to a 1/2 ton (shocks, tires, even mentions springs) to improve handling aspects to a stock 1/2 ton so in some cases he’s not comparing 1/2 to 3/4, he’s comparing a modified 1/2 to a 3/4. The third is he is digging pretty deep in detail, that’s a good thing, because all of those points are important. Tire ratings, axle ratings, tow ratings, etc. It should be a reminder to all of us that you can’t only look at the tow rating … or the hp rating on the power plant … or even the 1/2 vs 3/4 rating. All of it matters. I have had both 1/2 and 3/4 and towed the same (airstream) trailer with both. I have no argument at all with the fact that 1/2 ton trucks *can* do it, it’s just too close to the edge of comfort for me, and not enough payload margin for me, so I am solidly in the group that favors the 3/4 ton class vehicle as a towing platform.
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Old 08-09-2021, 04:19 PM   #28
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Old 08-09-2021, 04:44 PM   #29
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I have 25FB FC and I tow with a 2017 F150 King Ranch with the 7000lb option, this gave me a cargo capacity of just over 2100lb, maybe with the newer trucks this isnít possible anymore. It also has the Ecoboost which has done great. Iíve taken it to the CAT scales several times fully loaded for a trip and have never been over. Itís only me and the wife and we donít bring a lot of stuff. The heaviest item is the Honda generator, so for us the F150 works. But like others have said, itís what you are comfortable with.
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I have 25FB FC and I tow with a 2017 F150 King Ranch with the 7000lb option, this gave me a cargo capacity of just over 2100lb, maybe with the newer trucks this isnít possible anymore. It also has the Ecoboost which has done great. Iíve taken it to the CAT scales several times fully loaded for a trip and have never been over. Itís only me and the wife and we donít bring a lot of stuff. The heaviest item is the Honda generator, so for us the F150 works. But like others have said, itís what you are comfortable with.
More than 2100 lb payload shown on the door post on a '17 KR? Is it a Supercab?
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It's sad that WE as Americans have gotten so soft. My Great Great Grandfather traveled across the USA in a covered wagon all the way to Oregon now a 3/4 ton truck ride is too rough of a ride for our commute a few miles to work. We Sure Are Getting Soft.
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Old 08-09-2021, 05:30 PM   #32
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Towing a 25 AS and want to do it with a half ton? We do. No problem getting over 2000# payload if you go with Supercab instead of Supercrew. Give up a little backseat room and gain 6.5’ bed and better payload. Our 2016 FC 25 RB travels around 7000# with water, towed with 2015 F150 Loaded Lariat 4x4 5.0 V8 with sunroof, hard tonneau, 2 Honda2000s, pancake air compressor, Weber grill, tool box, 3 gal gas, fishing equipment and a few other goodies in the bed, loaded 45 qt Yeti, acoustic guitar and two adults in cab. Carry the guitar in the trailer and you could carry a large dog. EquaLizer hitch. No max tow or payload.

Sticker on door says 2031 lbs. We are close to max on cross country trips to the Rockies from GA and have done that three times averaging about 11.0 mpg overall including unhitched exploration when we are in the mountains. 6 spd trans 3.31 gearing, not best for ascents/descents but good for fuel economy, drive 70 on
Interstates until we hit the Rockies then slow down and enjoy the scenery on two lanes. Slow and steady on Mtn passes up and down. Newer models have have 10 sp trans and 5.0 has more hp and torque. Newer Ecoboosts get a little better fuel economy and climb the high passes a bit quicker but don’t sound as good. 5.0 tried and true, simpler ICE, no turbos.

Another option, works for us. Would I like more payload? Sure, but it’s my daily driver, live in the southern Appalachians and get 18 mpg up and down to town and 21 driving on interstates.

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I have 25FB FC and I tow with a 2017 F150 King Ranch with the 7000lb option, this gave me a cargo capacity of just over 2100lb, maybe with the newer trucks this isn’t possible anymore. It also has the Ecoboost which has done great. I’ve taken it to the CAT scales several times fully loaded for a trip and have never been over. It’s only me and the wife and we don’t bring a lot of stuff. The heaviest item is the Honda generator, so for us the F150 works. But like others have said, it’s what you are comfortable with.
I had a 2017 F150 Lariat and it had the 7000# GVWR package which came with the 3.55 electronic locking differential. Even with that, my Lariat 3.5L Eco-boost SuperCrew with the Max Tow package had a payload of just 1638lbs per the door sticker.

The King Ranch has a higher equipment level than the Lariat so I'm surprised at the 2100# payload of your rig.
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Old 08-09-2021, 05:46 PM   #34
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Iíve been down that round. Went from 3/4 diesel to 1/2 Tundra back to a 3/4 ton 6.6 . The Chevy has 3649 lbs. payload. Having that much payload allows you to do what you want with the truck. Leer top, running boards, bed slide ect. With a half ton that would be tough to do without compromising your payload weight. Plus less stress knowing your within legal payload limits and donít have to remove gear to be legal. Itís much safer and less tiring to pull. I was impressed by the 6.6 engine and the engine brake worked great in the mountains. Itís nice having that 1/2 ton as a daily driver but going down mountain passes you will thank yourself for getting that 3/4 ton.
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Old 08-09-2021, 05:58 PM   #35
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Bottom Line it always comes to PAYLOAD and TOWING CAPACITY ... doesn't matter what you buy 1/2 -3/4 - 1 ton or a Max truck ... if it doesn't have the capacity you require, you got the wrong truck.
Agree w/DRBRICK on the primacy of payload and towing capacity in making this decision. My 2015 F150 EcoBoost w/max tow is plenty of truck to pull my 2005 Safari 25 over Rocky Mountain passes. I am cognizant of my 1465 lb payload, typically more than enough for my human, canine, and camping cargo, but it prevents me from putting a fiberglass cap over my 6.5' bed. All in all, I'm satisfied with the package (and my tonneau cover).
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Generally I agree in #1. Never personally leased but my employer leased vehicles for me for years and then they would let me buy it at reduce cost for my wife.

I bought a 1999 F350 Super duty with 7.3 Diesel, first year of SD and I believe the turbo diesel, too with none of the modern emissions complications. Got 21 mpg on the road and about 15 towing my boat and drove it to 194k with almost no engine issues except a couple of sensors and dealer gave me $10k on trade in for current 2015 F150 (see above). 2015 was first year of
Aluminum body F150. No issues so far except first cross country AS trip With 6k on the clock, the trailer brake controller malfunctioned in MO. Dealer replaced and also found a pinhole leak in the radiator and replaced both under warranty. No other issues since and now at 61k. Maybe just lucky!
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We have a 2018 Ford F-150 5.0 V-8 supercrew, and we've ordered a 25-ft 2022 FC fbt scheduled for delivery mid to late October. Will this combo of truck and trailer work? We live in the south but are hoping to make several long distance road trips per year. Other info: we've ordered the Blue Ox weight distribution/anti-sway hitch, and the F-150 is a daily driver vehicle.
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We have a 2018 Ford F-150 5.0 V-8 supercrew, and we've ordered a 25-ft 2022 FC fbt scheduled for delivery mid to late October. Will this combo of truck and trailer work? We live in the south but are hoping to make several long distance road trips per year. Other info: we've ordered the Blue Ox weight distribution/anti-sway hitch, and the F-150 is a daily driver vehicle.
This is very nearly the same combination I had. I have a 25' RB (twin) flying cloud, and when I got it I had a 2016 F-150 w/5.0 v8 (3.55 rear end). It was also a 4x4 super crew (XLT), the payload rating sticker in the door was just over 1900 lbs. I always felt I had plenty of power, but in the mountainous areas you will spend a lot of time above 3,000 RPM (gets a bit loud in the cabin). The #1 concern for me is that on my trip home after purchase, I went to a CAT scale. I had an Equal-I-zer WD hitch, setup quite well (front axle weight nearly the same with as non-towing) and I found that my F-150 *rear* axle was overloaded (exceeded the rating for the axle). The overload was small, less than 50lb, but I was *not* packed for a camping trip, I was just towing my trailer home, had a few tools with me. I was well under my payload max, but the rear axle was over its rating. Additionally, I was not very comfortable with the amount of movement I felt (the trailer will push the truck around some, the more wind the more you will feel it). I have since upgraded my tow vehicle to an F-250 and am certain I made the right move for me. The FB trailers are said to be heavier in the tongue, so you might expect to be even more overloaded than I was. Lots of folks tow with 1/2 ton, you can certainly do it, but it will come down to how much you are comfortable with the dynamic forces I describe, and if you are willing to drive overloaded or not. Hope that helps you
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We have a 2018 Ford F-150 5.0 V-8 supercrew, and we've ordered a 25-ft 2022 FC fbt scheduled for delivery mid to late October. Will this combo of truck and trailer work? We live in the south but are hoping to make several long distance road trips per year. Other info: we've ordered the Blue Ox weight distribution/anti-sway hitch, and the F-150 is a daily driver vehicle.
Probably. Whatís the payload sticker say, how much payload do you need? The front bed units usually have higher tongue weight compared to rear bed FCs like mine.
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1SD, good points! We are close to the limits when fully loaded and would like to bring along a small Honda ATV on our cross country treks. Thought we would trade up to
250/350 gas this spring but lack of supply and higher costs with covid and chip shortage killed that. Maybe next year and maybe the 7.3 gas! Would miss my F150 though. Sweet ride unhitched and economical. Hate the column shifter and lack of Auto fwd on super duties. What engine do you have?
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