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Old 05-24-2021, 09:51 AM   #101
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There are two very good documentaries on this topic...

1. Who killed the electric car

and it's follow-on:

2. Revenge of the electric car

To be fair this is *exactly* what happened to Chevy and the Volt. People here mention it sell well, and GM didn't put a lot of advertising behind it, but ultimately it was like this... Walk into a dealership, mention you want to look at the Volt, next thing you know the salesperson was telling you how you didn't want one and how a traditional vehicle was better.
Both great documentaries and the revenge one really spelled it out nicely.

Might just be a regional/local thing. I went in 2012 and leased my first Volt and in 2015 when the lease was up, I bought a 2015 Volt. Both times the Chevy dealer did not try to sway me in any way away from the car and I am nowhere near California, but I could imagine a location where they had no Volt and no Volts within a couple hundred miles. In fact, they went searching for and found my current car about 300 miles away and went and go it. The 2012 was on their lot.

Maybe being in a major metro area is what made the difference in my case. I wanted to get a 2019 for the faster higher cap on-board charger as well as more range and refinements. When Chevy announced the end of the Volt, once fairly plentiful stock nearly vanished overnight and I have yet to see a 2019 Premiere version available... my guess is sometime in 2022-23 when these might come off lease I might see one again.

In regards to Dennis' comment, my point was that range, etc are true of any vehicle, I just added a bunch of other stuff (no relation to your post than that) to stir conversation with some direct observations of my own to see how they may plug in (no pun intended) to the variables of a pure EV truck range and what my feeling is why we might not see a 500 mile truck that isn't over $100k for a few years yet.

To comment on ORTA15's post-

I am very pleased to see that a major portion of Ford's dealer network will be avail and that a significant and well thought out access and charge availability will be possible and that any gaps could be filled by the existing charge networks (knowing with a trailer in tow, many might not be as easily accessible as the Ford solution. One can only home GM follow suit.

wbrisett-

Rivian has done a great job and I do believe they partnered with Ford, but here too, my point was towing. If Rivian has the data, I have yet to see anything solid from them on tow range. I also don't have much info on servicing nationwide or what their charge network looks like, unless they dovetail off their partnership with Ford in both areas.

As I said before, charging in general, and more important to the conversation here when towing is important, service to me is tied for that importance, and looks like Ford (and maybe Rivian by marriage) may be on a good trajectory to address both of those concerns and when the price per kWh comes closer to $60, perhaps well see far more range on par with what a comparable gasser or diesel truck might cost.
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Old 05-26-2021, 07:44 PM   #102
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Interesting Barron's article on Ford's recent stock price increase, based on investor enthusiasm over this new F-150:

"Ford shares finished up 8.5% Wednesday after rising more than 12% this past week, when the company unveiled its all-electric F-150 light-duty pickup truck"

https://www.marketwatch.com/articles...=mw_latestnews

An earlier article about Ford nailing it with this new design:
https://www.marketwatch.com/articles...la-51621516206

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