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Old 10-13-2021, 11:45 AM   #21
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Another note on payload

The max tow package will always be for a base trim model of a vehicle. As you go up the trim level all those extras have a weight to them and that come out your payload too. So an Expedition XLT may have 1700lbs of payload but the Limited may only be 1400lbs.

You will find the payload on the drivers side door jamb sticker.

Honestly, with that many people in one vehicle your options are tight. Not sure how you will get them all sleeping in a 23 footer!
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Old 10-13-2021, 01:04 PM   #22
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Hi, We are really happy with our 2020 Ford Expedition Max (trailer towing pkg 536).
Two adults and two kids (9 & 6), we tow a 2020 AS 28tb. For us tongue weight of the AS required buying the ford and not using the 2018 Discovery Diesel (max tongue weight too low even though towing rating was within limit). We tow using the Equal-i-zer 12K sway control. Check the driver's door sticker for the capacities of the Expedition to confirm the particular model you're looking at getting.
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Ford trailer backup assist

Hi,
Just remembered one thing that we are disappointed with on the Ford Expedition, and actually it's not entirely Ford's error. The Trailer back up assist requires that a checkered pattern targeting sticker be applied to the a-frame within a specific range from the camera. The sticker would, by our setup, go on the frame directly where the propane tanks sit. I did try applying it on the starboard Equal-i-zer sway control arm but it doesn't work.
If anyone else has a suggestion on how to get it to work please let me know!
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Old Yesterday, 08:23 AM   #24
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When I got my first 2006 AS 25' Safari back in 2009, I purchased a new Tahoe...it was marginal, most notably underpowered and I was at the payload limits. I sold my 2006' 25' 18 months later, and purchased a used 2008 25' twin and traded my 2009 Tahoe for a new 2011 Tahoe. It was marginal also, even with the additional 20hp and 15lbs of torque they told me would make a big difference....(I could not tell any increase in performance towing.) I ended up selling in 2013 and getting a new 2014 25' AS twin and a new 2014 F150 4x4 Platinum....night and day difference in towing power! Alas, the payload however, was way too low for a 25', I learned later. Lots of power, but too low payload.

Your likely fine with any of those SUV's you mention, as long as you get a decent payload. My take, Andy of CanAm, wrote a while back about the capability all around of the Durango as being a real sleeper for towing an AS and a great value. You might call him or research that post on the Forum. Only comment I would have is make sure the payload is capable for your overall plans on traveling with the 23'AS. Also, spend some time in an 23' AS to "make sure" it is big enough for you....many folks I know, end up trading up to a 25' within a couple years. Good luck!
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I am waiting on my FC23 CB BUNK and currently looking for a new TV.
Any advise or tips are much appreciated. I have narrowed down on the above three options.
We need to have 6-7 seating capacity. 4 adults and 3 kids.
would love to hear some pros and cons
Love our Expedition w heavy duty tow pkg, 4 wheel drive, very powerful turbo engine, high 9300 lb. rating....very safe too...this is our 3rd Expedition. Built heavy duty. We have been up the western mountains, handles extremely well. Its a Ford, heavy duty.
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Love our Expedition w heavy duty tow pkg, 4 wheel drive, very powerful turbo engine, high 9300 lb. rating....very safe too...this is our 3rd Expedition. Built heavy duty. We have been up the western mountains, handles extremely well. Its a Ford, heavy duty.
What is your payload on your Expedition and the tongue weight of your 25'? That is an issue typically with an Expedition or Tahoe...OP is looking at a 23' AS so not so much an issue, perhaps.
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…....Kids have a habit of growing and putting on weight, sometimes quite a bit in a years time... not to mention the things they *must have* to go camping with...

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Ha! Good point. However it is quite unfair to kids. In my experience, adults have every bit as much ability to put on weight and accumulate “must have” things!
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2020 Ford Expedition Hitch rec weight cap

Hi,
Our 2020 Ford Expedition Platinum MAX:
Weight-Carry Max Trailer 6,300
Tongue 630

Weight-Distribution Max 9,000
Tongue 900

Getting the non-Max model, W.D. max increases to 9,200
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Old Today, 06:00 AM   #29
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Our 2020 Ford Expedition Platinum MAX:
Weight-Carry Max Trailer 6,300
Tongue 630

Weight-Distribution Max 9,000
Tongue 900

Getting the non-Max model, W.D. max increases to 9,200
What is your max payload number on the driver door jamb sticker...that is your payload that you need to consider. Deduct all passengers, cargo, and tongue weight from that number. Your tongue weight should come from "weighing" your AS on scales...tongue on one scale, axils on the other, with your AS loaded. Don't assume the brochure or manual specs for either your Expidition nor the Airstream are accurate...many of us have been there...to be surprised our "actual" tongue weight on the Airstream was over by 100-150lbs or more! Note the sticker below is from my friends new F150 Hybrid...note it is 1412 max payload. He has 600lb tongue weight on his Lance TT, so with his wife, his cargo and the dog, they are at 1300lbs he said..still under the 1412 max. You may find your actual tongue weight on your AS to be fine...but you won't really know till you weigh it. I was surprised to find my AS being 1150lbs actual weight, when the brochure spec says 875lb for a 28 twin.
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I am waiting on my FC23 CB BUNK and currently looking for a new TV.
Any advise or tips are much appreciated. I have narrowed down on the above three options.
We need to have 6-7 seating capacity. 4 adults and 3 kids.
would love to hear some pros and cons
7 folks in a 23' AS...time for a bigger boat?🥴
We have two adults and a dog, and sometimes wish the dog was smaller.😂

POI there is no longer such a thing as a 2500 Suburban, our 06 8.1 was the last real 2500.

With the end of the GMT-900 generation (2007–14), GM retired its 2500-series of Suburbans and Yukons, and the monolithic eight-lug SUVs burbled off into the sunset without a replacement from the GMT-K2 (2014–20) trucks.

There is hope though...GM has a contract for a Infantry Squad Vehicle. 👍

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I am waiting on my FC23 CB BUNK and currently looking for a new TV.
Any advise or tips are much appreciated. I have narrowed down on the above three options.
We need to have 6-7 seating capacity. 4 adults and 3 kids.
would love to hear some pros and cons
7 folks in a 23' AS...time for a bigger boat?🥴
We have two adults and a dog, and sometimes wish the dog was smaller.😂

POI there is no longer such a thing as a 2500 Suburban, our 8.1 was the last real 2500.

With the end of the GMT-900 generation (2007–14), GM retired its 2500-series of Suburbans and Yukons, and the monolithic eight-lug SUVs burbled off into the sunset without a replacement from the GMT-K2 (2014–20) trucks.

There is hope though...GM has a contract for a Infantry Squad Vehicle. 👍

The Burbs you see squirling the Pol's around are all after-market HD units.

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7 folks in a 23' AS...time for a bigger boat?��
We have two adults and a dog, and sometimes wish the dog was smaller.��

POI there is no longer such a thing as a 2500 Suburban, our 06 8.1 was the last real 2500.

With the end of the GMT-900 generation (2007–14), GM retired its 2500-series of Suburbans and Yukons, and the monolithic eight-lug SUVs burbled off into the sunset without a replacement from the GMT-K2 (2014–20) trucks.

There is hope though...GM has a contract for a Infantry Squad Vehicle. ��

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Curious: Why do you say the 2006 was the last of the “real 2500”? In what way(s) does the ‘07 - ‘14 2500 not qualify?
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2020 Ford Expedition MAX Platinum

Hi,

Here is a photo of the Door Jamb Sticker.
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Here is a photo of the Door Jamb Sticker.
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Hi

Ok, you have 1,570 pounds of payload. Out of that you take the weight of driver and all passengers. You also take the weight of hitch and shank. Then the tongue weight comes out. The net has to be properly distributed so that the front and rear axles each get the correct "share" of the weight.

Sounds like a lot to juggle with a 28' trailer that may well be up around 900 to 1000 pounds when loaded to go camping. Well worth checking things at the CAT scale.

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