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Old 09-01-2021, 01:32 PM   #21
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We have a 28ft International and tow with a 2018 Silverado 1500,5.3 engine and 6spd. The truck has the max tow package with 2040 lbs payload. It handle the airstream wonderfully. 20,000 plus miles during the last 2 years and running consistently 12.8 mpg, 20mpg solo.
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Old 09-01-2021, 01:45 PM   #22
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Towed our 23 foot with a 2008 and 2012 Tundra 5.7L 4x4. Equalizer Hitch with chain drop springs.

The 2012 larger Tundra is Excellent. Great resale value, but will pay for the Tundra upfront. Never had ONE Tundra problem. (The smaller Toyota was a bit underpowered, light in the 'rear end' suspension and had the 4.7L... but did a good job and no mechanical problems.)

Towed our 25 foot with a 2012 Tundra 5.7L 4x4. Borderline with flat leaf springs. Handled well with Equalizer Hitch. 750# bars, Equalizer Hitch. Under full load of water and supplies for two weeks or longer.

Towed the 25 and 27 with the F350... no complaint. A 3/4 ton for the 27 foot is perfect. Traded the Tundra in for the F350. The 4x4 is nice, but without that option the price may be where the Ford looks much better.

If Toyota makes a 3/4 ton pickup... I will be checking it out.
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Old 09-01-2021, 03:46 PM   #23
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We tow a 23’ International Serenity with a F250/6.7L diesel. Overkill I suppose but what a worry feee and comfortable ride. This said I camped next to a Ford dealership owner last year who was towing his unit, similar to ours, with his F150 with the 3.6L diesel. No problems he assured me. I’m just uneasy pushing the rpm’s into 4000+ ranges which you’ll need to do with a 1/2 ton truck when in the hills. Plus I can load the truck with whatever I want too.
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Old 09-02-2021, 06:47 AM   #24
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I tow with a 2019 3.5 EcoBoost and it is more than adequate (make sure you get the package that contains 36 gal.fuel tank). If I were buying today, I would seriously consider a GM 1500 w/ the 3.0 diesel. I have read good things about that engine.
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Old 09-02-2021, 07:41 AM   #25
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With a 23 you will most likely be right near payload capacity with whatever 1/2 ton you get
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Old 09-02-2021, 08:55 AM   #26
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I tow with a 2019 3.5 EcoBoost and it is more than adequate (make sure you get the package that contains 36 gal.fuel tank). If I were buying today, I would seriously consider a GM 1500 w/ the 3.0 diesel. I have read good things about that engine.
I liked the the 1500 with the 3.0 diesel, when I was truck shopping, but could not deal with the small 21 gal fuel tank. Just not enough range
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Old 09-02-2021, 09:05 AM   #27
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With a 23 you will most likely be right near payload capacity with whatever 1/2 ton you get
The 23FB has a relatively low tongue weight, so the vast majority of 1/2 ton trucks have plenty of payload capacity.

Adding a few more comments regarding GMC trucks: mine has the 5.3L engine with the 8-speed transmission and 3:42 axle ratio. This combination works beautifully. On flat ground in calm winds, I tend to get 14 or 15 mpg when towing the trailer. In the mountains I usually get 12 to 14 mpg. Like other trucks mentioned in this tread, the max tow package is available from GMC which includes tow mirrors. They are really nice to have. My truck’s fuel tank is 26 gallons. This is fine for me, as I usually need a break around the time the tank is running low.
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Old 09-02-2021, 09:15 AM   #28
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The 23FB has a relatively low tongue weight, so the vast majority of 1/2 ton trucks have plenty of payload capacity.

Adding a few more comments regarding GMC trucks: mine has the 5.3L engine with the 8-speed transmission and 3:42 axle ratio. This combination works beautifully. On flat ground in calm winds, I tend to get 14 or 15 mpg when towing the trailer. In the mountains I usually get 12 to 14 mpg. Like other trucks mentioned in this tread, the max tow package is available from GMC which includes tow mirrors. They are really nice to have. My truck’s fuel tank is 26 gallons. This is fine for me, as I usually need a break around the time the tank is running low.
I agree the 5.3L is great, I have the 6-speed and average ~16.5 mpg with few mods. I am just comparing my 20FB with myself, wife, baby, dog, & all our cargo I am about 150 lbs under the payload of course mine is pretty loaded so it is on the lower average of payload capacity. Dumping the Rancho shocks and struts for Bilstein's and adding airbags makes towing a breeze, no sway at all w/o WD or sway control
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Old 09-04-2021, 06:02 AM   #29
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Thank you for all of the information and advice. We will probably stick with the 1/2 ton trucks and GMC, Dodge and Toyota are all still being considered. I know we are at the mercy of the supply chain but hopefully we will be able to get something with a higher payload. No sunroofs!!
The FC that we ordered will come with the Blue Ox 750 Sway Pro hitch.
My husband and I will more than likely never go to a bigger (longer) Airstream but I am seriously in love with the twin bed option in the 23' Globetrotter.
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Old 09-04-2021, 09:10 PM   #30
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Go ahead and order the truck you want. I ordered the 2022 F-250 on July 12 and received news today (September 4) that the dealer has it on the lot ready for me to drive away. 54 days isn’t too bad. Expected delivery was September 12 to 18 however I suspect that Ford is underpromising so that they can overdeliver. We’re replacing our 2020 F-150 Lariat FX4 (max tow, etc.) to pull our 25FB International. Payload is always the issue but with the lighter trim packages and no worthless goodies like the sun roof and power running boards you should be fine pulling the 23-footer. You just can’t move to a bigger trailer IMO. 4x4 costs you some weight too.

Lots of good advice here (e.g. order the extended mirrors - they are not included in the max tow package).
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Old 09-08-2021, 09:21 AM   #31
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There is a thread on here somewhere about the new F150's and towing AS.
We have a 2021 Platinum Hybrid FX4 with the 7.2kw generator package. It's my daily driver and while the mpg isn't as good as a diesel, the truck pulls our 2019 FC 23FB just fine.

We haven't been in a situation yet where we "had" to use the generator package, but it sure is nice to know that it's back there. This is my first F150, and I took a serious look at the new Ram as well. But the Ford sealed it for me with all of the upgrades to the interior and the propower package. That and reliability.

Just take your time. No one is making a ton of trucks due to the chip shortages. Don't overpay. Don't overbuild the truck and kill your payload capacity, either.
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Old 09-08-2021, 10:44 AM   #32
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I did like you, ordered my Airstream (25 FCFBT), then started looking for my truck. My research showed the F150 3.5 Ecoboost was by far the best towing in the half ton line. And it makes s great every day drive. I’ve pulled my AS up many 11,000 passes in Colorado with no problem. Towing I get between 13-14 mpg driving at 60 mph. The Ecoboost engines are much better at towing than V8s. Higher torque at low rpms.
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Old 09-08-2021, 10:47 AM   #33
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BTW, if you order a truck for sure get the Max Tow Package, Tow Mirrors, 36 gal. Gas tank. And you don’t need 4 WD.
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Old 09-08-2021, 10:55 AM   #34
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I suggest you go with the 3.5L EcoBoost, max tow package, and max payload package. XLT trim is fine, in our opinion. Payload is an issue with 1/2 tons, but if you are going to order one, you can get the max payload, which is otherwise hard to find.
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Old 09-08-2021, 03:42 PM   #35
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We are looking for a 1/2 ton truck to pull our soon to be FC 23FB. I have been doing some research and it looks like the F150 is the better way to go.
But we haven't pulled the trigger yet on it.
And yes I know we may have/probably will have to order and keep our fingers crossed that we get the TV before the FC is completed.
My research has shown that I need a more stripped down model of whatever we get. No leather seats or the like for us - the dog would destroy it. I will be using the truck as my daily vehicle and I drive about 50 miles to and from work. My current car is a Subaru Crosstrek so this will be a big change.
Is the F150 the best choice in terms of towing capacity, gas mileage and price?
My choice would be a Chev/GMC Suburban/Yukon or a similar type vehicle. IMO, this types of TV is more useful for everyday driving and is safer, etc. Of course this is assuming you don't have another legitimate PU use.
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Old 09-08-2021, 04:55 PM   #36
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I had a Fiat (Dodge) (Ram) and I loved the truck......nearly as much as the dealer. Problem is, it kept going back and back and back. It never really left. The dealer loved it so much, they constantly sent letters telling it how much honey missed it and to bring it back for a visit. Which I did monthly.
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Old 09-08-2021, 05:01 PM   #37
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We are looking for a 1/2 ton truck to pull our soon to be FC 23FB. I have been doing some research and it looks like the F150 is the better way to go.
But we haven't pulled the trigger yet on it.
And yes I know we may have/probably will have to order and keep our fingers crossed that we get the TV before the FC is completed.
My research has shown that I need a more stripped down model of whatever we get. No leather seats or the like for us - the dog would destroy it. I will be using the truck as my daily vehicle and I drive about 50 miles to and from work. My current car is a Subaru Crosstrek so this will be a big change.
Is the F150 the best choice in terms of towing capacity, gas mileage and price?
My TV is a 2011 Toyota Tundra Crewmax 4x4 so there is plenty of room in the rear seating area for my big poodle to horse around with a cloth hammock to cover the rear seating. My 28’ Safari is a dream to toe with the 5.7 liter V-8 and I average between 12-14 mpg on the road while towing. I just clocked over 200k miles and have no intention of replacing her anytime soon!
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Old 09-08-2021, 05:03 PM   #38
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Yes to post #22.
I have towed our 2019 25FB Twin with a 2013 Toyota Tundra and a new 2021 Tundra both with a ProPride hitch. Both were dynamite combos. I can not rave enough.

I ordered the 2021 Tundra with Tow Mirrors and they make a big difference. I wanted the truck with Leather seats and a sun roof for driving through canyon country, etc. The dealership owner educated me that we could technically order what I wanted, but it might not ever actually get made.
As a result, I ordered the SR5 (lowest trim lever), cloth seats, added the TRD Offroad Package which came with upgraded suspension, larger gas tank (amazing!!!) and some other stuff. And of course Tow Mirrors. Instead of one month to receive, it took 2 months. It was ordered in Mid January 2021.

When the truck came in, the dealership installed Katzkin leather seats which we designed (colors, sections, heated, cooled). Turned out amazing. If you want cloth in the back for the dog and leather in the front... that is totally do-able. Also, these seats came with heated and cooled seats which the SR5 did not originally come with. Love them!
https://katzkin.com/

As for the Daily Driver. We have a similar situation. Looking up the weight/pressure tables for your tires and running slightly above what they recommend will help smooth out the ride. The sticker on the inside of the door us useless, meant for people to load and go without thinking. But when towing a trailer (horse, travel, utility, flatbed, bumper, gooseneck) I have found it essential and helpful to run the tires according to the Weight/Pressure tables.

Another thing I can mention is often the dealership will deliver the trailer to you for free, extending the window for you to get your new truck. After getting kicked off the dealer lot while I was installing my hitch (evidently against the rules), the dealer mentioned it. I had them put it in my storage unit and did the work I needed to over the winter, patiently waiting for my new truck.

A while ago I started a post about Toyota tow vehicles. At the end I added a spreadsheet of what Tow Vehicle people were using and what they were towing. You might find it interesting. I believe a lot of people think you need a bigger truck than you actually need. (My opinion, do your own research) And especially if it is a daily driver I try to balance towing vs fuel costs. Another thing to think about as gas reaches $4 a gallon here. Check it out.

https://www.airforums.com/forums/f46...ra-214452.html

Enjoy your new rig! Whatever you choose I think you are on the right track. And congratulations!!! Welcome to the club.
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Old 09-08-2021, 05:46 PM   #39
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My 2017 Silverado 5.3 8 speed handles my 26’ Argosy handily do get avg 14-16 mpg highway at 65 mph and get 18-22 without trailer. My Dodge and Ford friends have pure mpg envy. I run my truck tire at 40psi.
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Old 09-08-2021, 05:55 PM   #40
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Yes to post #22.
I have towed our 2019 25FB Twin with a 2013 Toyota Tundra and a new 2021 Tundra both with a ProPride hitch. Both were dynamite combos. I can not rave enough.

I ordered the 2021 Tundra with Tow Mirrors and they make a big difference. I wanted the truck with Leather seats and a sun roof for driving through canyon country, etc. The dealership owner educated me that we could technically order what I wanted, but it might not ever actually get made.
As a result, I ordered the SR5 (lowest trim lever), cloth seats, added the TRD Offroad Package which came with upgraded suspension, larger gas tank (amazing!!!) and some other stuff. And of course Tow Mirrors. Instead of one month to receive, it took 2 months. It was ordered in Mid January 2021.

When the truck came in, the dealership installed Katzkin leather seats which we designed (colors, sections, heated, cooled). Turned out amazing. If you want cloth in the back for the dog and leather in the front... that is totally do-able. Also, these seats came with heated and cooled seats which the SR5 did not originally come with. Love them!
https://katzkin.com/

As for the Daily Driver. We have a similar situation. Looking up the weight/pressure tables for your tires and running slightly above what they recommend will help smooth out the ride. The sticker on the inside of the door us useless, meant for people to load and go without thinking. But when towing a trailer (horse, travel, utility, flatbed, bumper, gooseneck) I have found it essential and helpful to run the tires according to the Weight/Pressure tables.

Another thing I can mention is often the dealership will deliver the trailer to you for free, extending the window for you to get your new truck. After getting kicked off the dealer lot while I was installing my hitch (evidently against the rules), the dealer mentioned it. I had them put it in my storage unit and did the work I needed to over the winter, patiently waiting for my new truck.

A while ago I started a post about Toyota tow vehicles. At the end I added a spreadsheet of what Tow Vehicle people were using and what they were towing. You might find it interesting. I believe a lot of people think you need a bigger truck than you actually need. (My opinion, do your own research) And especially if it is a daily driver I try to balance towing vs fuel costs. Another thing to think about as gas reaches $4 a gallon here. Check it out.

https://www.airforums.com/forums/f46...ra-214452.html

Enjoy your new rig! Whatever you choose I think you are on the right track. And congratulations!!! Welcome to the club.
Curious…

Does the Tundra handle the payload and keep within its limits as posted on the door?

What does the CAT scale say about your combined rig relative to GVWR, GCWR, and rear axle weight limits?
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