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Old 06-27-2020, 02:43 PM   #21
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Longbox!

Glad you opted for a long box! Bought my first crewcab longbox in 1986 and have never been without one. Never for a second did I ever think I should have anything shorter!!!! Well...gas or diesel? My opinion is based on the consensus of other forums and a few friends. Unless you are always going to be pulling heavy loads as in a construction, hotshot or RV delivery job the gasser will be more economical with all things considered!

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Old 06-27-2020, 04:06 PM   #22
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If you find a single person on this forum that would recommend a gas engine for a 250/350 2500/3500 Truck I will be surprised.
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Yes but diesel has more energy per gallon then gas
I question that since diesel is so far down the refinery chain. It's hard to set it on fire.
But, even so, you'll be buying DEF, paying a huge premium to buy the diesel, and if it breaks, be prepared for an even bigger bill.

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Really like the diesel braking as well. If your going to be in the mountains you will definitely appreciate it.
Diesels have no engine braking. So engineers cobbled together a system where you flip a switch called "exhaust brake" and a solenoid flips a flap in the exhaust pipe, creating back pressure. When I had a MH with a diesel, activating the exhaust brake also shifts the transmission into "4".
I'm not sure where this "save your transmission" idea came from. Maybe F-250/350 don't do that.

I was also shocked at how much an oil change cost. It's not like the service interval is 20K miles, it was 5,000 miles and an oil change was $500.

Nobody buys a diesel to save money.
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Old 06-27-2020, 05:22 PM   #23
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If you find a single person on this forum that would recommend a gas engine for a 250/350 2500/3500 Truck I will be surprised. .
I have a 6.2 F350 with 4.30 gears. I really enjoy towing with it. The most I have towed is 12k pounds. It had no trouble. Sure, it downshifted on the grades a few gears, but still did a great job. When I bought the truck, I weighed all the pros and cons and looked at the way I intended to use the truck, which was probably towing about 1/3 of the miles driven per year and the towing weight well less than what the truck is rated to pull. A gas truck fit my needs.
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Old 06-27-2020, 05:57 PM   #24
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I was also shocked at how much an oil change cost. It's not like the service interval is 20K miles, it was 5,000 miles and an oil change was $500.
Yikes!

I did an oil change myself on my 2017 F250 diesel just his week. 3 gallons+ of Shell Rotella T6 5w-40 full synthetic and a Motorcraft spin on filter. 45 minutes including clean up. Easy-peasy; $85 with tax.

I guess that puts the value of my labor at somewhere north of $400/hr.
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Old 06-27-2020, 07:12 PM   #25
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Keep your F250 Diesel. The F350 only gives you a heavier I-Beam frame and adds nothing else.
The frames are identical. The difference is in the suspension.
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Old 06-27-2020, 08:51 PM   #26
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I test drove a 2020 F350 diesel. Really rough suspension. Big truck though. Too big. But it is meant to tow more than an Airstream. An F250 with the 7.3 will give more payload than an F350 with a diesel. And will pull an Airstream without any problem. Not sure the love affair people have with diesel trucks when pulling airstreams; especially considering their up front costs, maintenance, and repair costs. It must be a Tim-the-Tool-man thing.
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Old 06-27-2020, 09:11 PM   #27
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I test drove a 2020 F350 diesel. Really rough suspension. Big truck though. Too big. But it is meant to tow more than an Airstream. An F250 with the 7.3 will give more payload than an F350 with a diesel. And will pull an Airstream without any problem. Not sure the love affair people have with diesel trucks when pulling airstreams; especially considering their up front costs, maintenance, and repair costs. It must be a Tim-the-Tool-man thing.

What was the build sheet of that 2020 F350, was it specíd with a snow plow packaged and what was the wheelbase? I specifically drove four 2020 250/350ís before deciding on my 350 diesel. The F350 with the 7.3l rode like a dump truck compared to my 6.7 platinum but wheelbase will play into this quite a bit. Also the payload information in not true on most manufacturers 2020 350/3500 trucks. My 350 has a payload of over 4500lbs with the diesel. GMC/Chev. are following suit with their payload ratings. I bring motorcycles along but also haul equipment for our farm but yes I must be influenced by the Home Improvement tv show.
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Old 06-27-2020, 09:43 PM   #28
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My gas F350 is a long bed crew with snowplow and slide-in camper certification. I have no complaints with the ride either empty or loaded.
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Old 06-27-2020, 11:52 PM   #29
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I test drove a 2020 F350 diesel. Really rough suspension.
That's surprising since my F250 diesel rides exceptionally well for a big truck and most people who have driven both the F250 and F350 say that there is little difference in ride quality between them. I actually installed Bilstein shocks because I felt the stock dampers were a little soft and the suspension needed to be more controlled. Even so, my wife is impressed by how comfortable the truck is every time we take a long trip. TEHO, I guess.
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Old 06-28-2020, 07:21 AM   #30
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Consider yourself surprised.

I question that since diesel is so far down the refinery chain. It's hard to set it on fire.
But, even so, you'll be buying DEF, paying a huge premium to buy the diesel, and if it breaks, be prepared for an even bigger bill.

Diesels have no engine braking. So engineers cobbled together a system where you flip a switch called "exhaust brake" and a solenoid flips a flap in the exhaust pipe, creating back pressure. When I had a MH with a diesel, activating the exhaust brake also shifts the transmission into "4".
I'm not sure where this "save your transmission" idea came from. Maybe F-250/350 don't do that.

I was also shocked at how much an oil change cost. It's not like the service interval is 20K miles, it was 5,000 miles and an oil change was $500.

Nobody buys a diesel to save money.
1 gallon of diesel has 113% of the energy of one gallon of gasoline.
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Old 07-05-2020, 11:00 AM   #31
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My wife and I recently retired and bought a 30' Globetrotter and a 2020 F350 long bed power stroke to pull it. I wanted the 7.3L gasser F250 with long bed but couldn't find one and was running out of time. I'd never owned a diesel and using the old-dog-new-trick excuse didn't want to try it. I've been pulling the trailer for a grand total of 10 days through flat Florida and "mountainous" of western North Carolina and could not be happier with the diesel. Even on NC mountains the torque and engine braking in tow/haul mode are reassuring. I'll have no concerns with the Rockies that we're hoping to hit in the fall (other than the turning radius of the LB on switchbacks!). I'm averaging just below 14 MPG pulling the trailer and 21 without it. As I read on a lot of posts before my purchase, you can't go wrong with the F350 power stroke! I'll now be repeating that mantra.
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Old 07-05-2020, 11:08 AM   #32
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I tow our 30í FC RB with the Ford F-250 7.3L and it IS a towing beast! We have 10,000 miles on the truck and could not be happier. We average around 10 MPG towing and 14 otherwise. Also, even though there is no Diesel engine brake the 10 speed HD transmission works great keeping your speed in check, esp when on cruise.
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Old 07-05-2020, 11:33 AM   #33
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So, the wife and I are retiring at the end of the year. We want to take a year long trip traveling the US and Canada (Covid permitting). We currently pull our 30' Classic with a 2018 F250 diesel and have been very pleased with it's performance. But I want to move to a F350 long bed for the extra capacity. Seem to be hearing good things about the 7.3 gasser but would like some feed back from people who have pulled a similar trailer across the Rockies and other ranges.
Diesel all the way.
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Old 07-05-2020, 12:37 PM   #34
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So, the wife and I are retiring at the end of the year. We want to take a year long trip traveling the US and Canada (Covid permitting). We currently pull our 30' Classic with a 2018 F250 diesel and have been very pleased with it's performance. But I want to move to a F350 long bed for the extra capacity. Seem to be hearing good things about the 7.3 gasser but would like some feed back from people who have pulled a similar trailer across the Rockies and other ranges.
We did the exact same thing. We bought the F-350 Limited long bed 6.7 Powerstroke and LOVE IT!. I used to pull the trailer with a F-150 Ecobost and took it to Las Vegas from Florida and it struggled bad in the mountains. We decided to go with the Diesel and that 1050 Lbs of torque is great. I wouldn't go back to gas. That being said. If you don't plan to climb big mountains or don't mind slowing to 45 MPH going uphill then the gasser might be OK.
Good luck.
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Old 07-05-2020, 12:42 PM   #35
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Consider yourself surprised.

I question that since diesel is so far down the refinery chain. It's hard to set it on fire.
But, even so, you'll be buying DEF, paying a huge premium to buy the diesel, and if it breaks, be prepared for an even bigger bill.

Diesels have no engine braking. So engineers cobbled together a system where you flip a switch called "exhaust brake" and a solenoid flips a flap in the exhaust pipe, creating back pressure. When I had a MH with a diesel, activating the exhaust brake also shifts the transmission into "4".
I'm not sure where this "save your transmission" idea came from. Maybe F-250/350 don't do that.

I was also shocked at how much an oil change cost. It's not like the service interval is 20K miles, it was 5,000 miles and an oil change was $500.

Nobody buys a diesel to save money.
It won't save your transmission. it will save your brakes for the same reason semi trucks use it. Also the powerstroke recommended oil change interval is 7500 miles. While 500 is not cheap for it it's worth it for the advantage you get while towing. True that if all you do i groceries and drop off the kids at school you don't NEED a Diesel but hell get one anyway. They sound Awesome!
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Thumbs up Add this to your new F350

I added this extra diesel tank to my tow rig. Itís 65 gallons of additional diesel to give me onboard of now 90 gallons. I should not have to pull my rig thru a station...I can unhook my Hensley and head down the street or road and just refuel without the additional footage. I transfer diesel while driving and now have a range of about 800-900 miles before refuel again.

Just something to evaluate with your retirement! I highly recommend...
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I drove the 7.3 and diesel back to back (F250). Not sure why the hype is about the 7.3. The diesel is hands down a better driving experience. Drove mine home last night. .
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I guess I have to ask, why not consider the ecoboost? It has the most torque and HP..... more than the 7.3 gas..... (the high-output 3.5-liter EcoBoost makes 450 hp and 510 lb-ft.)
I have an F-150 with the 3.5 and tow a model 28 coast to coast. It has plenty of towing capacity in the mountains and rides like a dream. I have to believe it will do better in the mountains than the 7.3.
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TIME TO QUIT "Drinking The Diesel Koolaid".

Buy the NEW 7.3 LITRE GAS TRUCK and don't look back!
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In 2018 I ran away from home in Maryland to Northern California via Southern Colorado and Northern Montana to pig hunt on my sisterís ranch; two months end to end. Was towing our 1990 Airstream 29í Excella with a 2018 Ford F-350 7.3L diesel and dual rear wheels. The rig had a ProPride 3P hitch system with anti sway bars and a load leveling system.

With the duel rear wheels, I had no problem with the coast to coast tow. No hint of sway. The F-350 had plenty of power to spare on the open road (cruised where legal at 70-75). With a fullly loaded 8í bed (ATV, generator, canoe on rack, and a 65 gallon water bladder) I got no less than 13.9 mpg and on a long flat stretch usually got almost 15 mpg.

In the Helena National Forest, on rutted dirt/gravel roads, in 4X4 with hubs locked, was able to traverse grades of up to 20 degrees (pretty steep) with my Excella across the entire National Forest hunting deer in early November (snowed while there).

My F-350 is a crew cab with plenty of room for up to 5 persons and lots of leg room and room for stowing gear. Going solo, had the rear passenger compartment packed with tools, and hunting gear (climber tree stand) I didnít want in the trailer.

Without a trailer in tow, the F-350 , on open/flat/straight road, I can get almost 21 mpg with a light foot on accelerator. Periodically, diesel emission fluid (DEF) needs to be added; more so when towing.

VERY happy with my F-350 and given its current performance, expect to continue towing for many more years. R/Andrew (Andy) Hammond, Captain, US Navy (retired)
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