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Old 09-09-2020, 06:49 PM   #61
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FWIW, the V-8 would still be my choice over a turbo V-6.
Where I prefer the turbo so I don't lose NEARLY as much power when towing in the Rockies. Altitude is not nice to naturally aspirated engines.
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It's an apples and oranges comparison. The half tons are great for pulling your bass boat and your gear. put a sailboat behind them, not so much. The three-quarter and one tons are designed to be tow vehicles.
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Agree with the "payload" concerns on the F150. EB engine is great, and F150 is a nice size for 25' AS and smaller, but when you get 27 or larger AS, the 3/4T diesel is hard to argue against. The payload for sure is great (think kayaks, generator, firewood, camp gear, etc..), but the control and power also should be considered. The engine brake is awesome for towing on the highway in the mountains, the size of the 3/4-1T for overall control/stability is obvious first time you tow, and comfort of the new models is on par with the 1/2T. We have the F250 now with 98K miles pulling our 28' AS over 3 years...I miss the F150 for tooling around town, but nothing like setting cruise at 60-65mph, setting engine brake on "Auto", setting collision distance control, and enjoying the ride controlling speed with your thumbs..don't know your towing...power to pass when needed up mountains...cruise up/down/around with no stress. MPG towing 13-13.6; without towing- 17.6-20mph depending on speed...drove 150 round trip from Alpine WY to Idaho Falls yesterday and got 21mpg...happy camper with my F250 6.7L KR 4x4.
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My F150 pulls my 25 International like a dream

I have a 2018 25 Intl and tow it with an F-150 3.5 Econoboost. I couldn't be happier. It always has more than enough power. I am always impressed when I pull on to a highway and want to get up to speed quickly.

We do a lot of mountain driving and it feels stable up and down hills.

The 10 speed transmission is brilliant.
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Old 09-10-2020, 10:02 AM   #65
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It's an apples and oranges comparison. The half tons are great for pulling your bass boat and your gear. put a sailboat behind them, not so much. The three-quarter and one tons are designed to be tow vehicles.
You really should do some historical comparison regarding the 1/2 tons of today and compare them to the 3/4 tons of just 10 years ago. You will find that that 1/2 tons of today are very comparable to the 3/4 tons of 10 years ago.

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Old 09-10-2020, 11:50 AM   #66
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What to tow with

When looking at the F250/350 take a real good look at the available 7.3 Gas engine. Advantages are, a whole bunch less expensive to buy, way more payload than the oil burner, lower maintenance costs (they all break down at some point and require fixing), no DEF to mess with, quieter, no diesel smell, regular gas available everywhere, etc.

The 7.3 will pull any AS no problem. Some folks just have to have a diesel, and I get that. But, the gasser will do the job nicely. Have fun looking for the perfect truck for you.
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If you're leaning for a F250 WITH a Diesel, consider a f-350. Very small differences between the two, but a 250 with a Diesel doesn't have much more payload than a F-150. This video really breaks it down.

This video reminds me. The ONLY think I didn't like about going from the 150 to the 250 is that in the 150 the rear seat folds up and you have a nice, flat floor. We would store the big Yeti there. In the F250 it has the "secure" (hidden) floor storage. That can be nice, but it precludes putting the Yeti back there, even if you fold down the little "walls" of the under-seat cubby. Oh well.
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Take out your Super Duty's under seat tool box if the floor isnt flat enough for you with the tool box folded down. Not all SDs come with the tool box.

I have a 350 with the tool box. I leave the seats up and the tool box folded. I have a piece of carpet over the back floor. I am sure a big Yeti will fit and ride in there just fine
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When looking at the F250/350 take a real good look at the available 7.3 Gas engine. Advantages are, a whole bunch less expensive to buy, way more payload than the oil burner, lower maintenance costs (they all break down at some point and require fixing), no DEF to mess with, quieter, no diesel smell, regular gas available everywhere, etc.

The 7.3 will pull any AS no problem. Some folks just have to have a diesel, and I get that. But, the gasser will do the job nicely. Have fun looking for the perfect truck for you.
I agree with most of what you said but have to say that diesel fuel is widely available, never an issue of availability. Also modern diesels don’t really smell “like diesel” because of the emission systems. DEF also is no big deal. I bought two jugs yesterday (5 gal total). It will probably last me 5-6K miles.

That said, I’ve heard really good things about the 7.3 in terms of surprisingly good fuel economy for such a huge engine. I may have really considered that if it was available last year when I was looking. But 935 ft-lbs of torque on my 6.7 PS is really nice. It’s over 1000 ft-lbs on the 2020 Powerstrokes.

Yes, the Diesel engine weighs a lot more, taking away from payload. That’s why, if you’re going with a diesel, you might as well get a 1 ton truck and enjoy the diesel benefits and great payload at the same time, FWIW.
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Take out your Super Duty's under seat tool box if the floor isnt flat enough for you with the tool box folded down. Not all SDs come with the tool box.

I have a 350 with the tool box. I leave the seats up and the tool box folded. I have a piece of carpet over the back floor. I am sure a big Yeti will fit and ride in there just fine
I love the rear seat toolbox in my F350. Every time I think about folding it flat, I just shake my head and think “but that toolbox is great”. ��

I have a topper with a cargo slide. That’s where the 50 quart Pelican, Trager grill, Solo stove, generator...... go. TEHO.��
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I have a 2016 F350 4x4 Diesel Kings Ranch... with a 3:55 AXLE. Pulls my 27 Foot International very well.

The AXLE ratio is important. The F150 Eco Boost most likely have a High Ratio Rear End. I have not looked, but if you are pulling a 27 foot or longer Airstream... I suspect that is true.

Search the Internet for: CarProUSA The Right Axle Ratio

"Trailer-Towing Guides:

The good news is that a quick Google search will find all the manufacturers’ trailer-towing guides. This is why it is important to get your trailer before you get your truck. Find the right truck based on the total weight of whatever you are towing. If it is a travel trailer, make sure you add for contents that go inside. Carrying water, clothes, canned goods, butane, etc. can add a lot of weight. If it is a cargo trailer, what is the most weight you’ll be towing?"

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"Finally, lean to the upper side. It is better to have too much truck, than not enough, when it comes to carrying loads."

If you do not know your Axle Ratio... You do not know your Front End from your Rear End.
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I have a 2016 F350 4x4 Diesel Kings Ranch... with a 3:55 AXLE. Pulls my 27 Foot International very well.

The AXLE ratio is important. The F150 Eco Boost most likely have a High Ratio Rear End. I have not looked, but if you are pulling a 27 foot or longer Airstream... I suspect that is true.

Search the Internet for: CarProUSA The Right Axle Ratio

"Trailer-Towing Guides:

The good news is that a quick Google search will find all the manufacturers’ trailer-towing guides. This is why it is important to get your trailer before you get your truck. Find the right truck based on the total weight of whatever you are towing. If it is a travel trailer, make sure you add for contents that go inside. Carrying water, clothes, canned goods, butane, etc. can add a lot of weight. If it is a cargo trailer, what is the most weight you’ll be towing?"

Trailer Towing Guide: Same Post-

"Finally, lean to the upper side. It is better to have too much truck, than not enough, when it comes to carrying loads."

If you do not know your Axle Ratio... You do not know your Front End from your Rear End.
You shouldn't speculate and spew nonsense when you don't know what you're talking about. An F150 with Max Tow (packge 53C) has a 3.55:1 E-locker rear axle. A 3.73 is included with HD Payload or the 2.7L Payload package, and available as an option. It's not hard to find this REAL information rather than speculating and spreading disinformation. Essentially any F150 rated by Ford to tow a reasonably-heavy trailer is going to have a 3.55 or 3.73 differential. And MANY diesel SuperDuty trucks will come with a 3.31 diff. This doesn't really matter due to the prodigious torque of the Powerstroke, but having the 3.55 is not some mystical property of a diesel SuperDuty.
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You shouldn't speculate and spew nonsense when you don't know what you're talking about. An F150 with Max Tow (packge 53C) has a 3.55:1 E-locker rear axle. A 3.73 is included with HD Payload or the 2.7L Payload package, and available as an option. It's not hard to find this REAL information rather than speculating and spreading disinformation. Essentially any F150 rated by Ford to tow a reasonably-heavy trailer is going to have a 3.55 or 3.73 differential. And MANY diesel SuperDuty trucks will come with a 3.31 diff. This doesn't really matter due to the prodigious torque of the Powerstroke, but having the 3.55 is not some mystical property of a diesel SuperDuty.
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Those are NOT MY quote in quotations, but the 'experts. They also have questions from the general public. We have plenty of Tire Experts. I do not agree with them and will keep my 16 inch LT /LTX 16 inch Michelins. Tested and proven by use.

With anticipation... some 'Rear End Experts' will step forward.

My F350 had the option of a 3:55 or a 3:73 differential. There were no other options. This gave me the Torque and decent miles per gallon. Also helps in slowing down with the Diesel Engine in Tow Mode. The current F350 just happened to be what I needed.

'Disinformation' is available on the Air Forums on ALL subjects. That is why we discuss everything and can make our own decision... sometimes.

This information can be searched on the Tow Vehicle Manufacturers and other Websites. I have yet to find a Differential / Rear End expert participating in helping those making inquiries as to what Tow Vehicle they should check out to tow their length of a current or future Airstream.

Differential options HAVE NOT BEEN OFFERED IN THEIR ADVICE. Nor mine. Now everyone can check it out on their own.

Critics are everywhere. Look at their choice for a Tow Vehicle for their Airstream... and let everyone be... judged. Make your own decisions from doing some research and asking questions. Not everyone uses their Tow Vehicle and Trailer in Tow combinations the same.

AKA... Rocky Mountain Towing and Great Plains Towing... are not the same comparison. Choose what is most appropriate for your kind of traveling. It will make a difference.
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We can't intelligently discuss rear axle ratios without factoring in the transmission gear ratios. Its the combination of the two that affect power delivery at the tires. With todays modern 10 speed transmission rear axle ratios seem much less consequential when compared to much older designs.

Take for example the two speed GM powerglide. Low gear is about 1.8:1, high gear 1:1. The rear axle ratio here has a huge impact on power and/or economy.

The new 10 speed transmission ranges from 4.69:1 in first to 0.63:1 in tenth gear. The rear axle ratio here is less significant as there's so many gears to select from and range of ratio's is so large.

DBSax is correct that Ford only offers a single rear axle choice for the F150 with their towing package. Their engineers must have concluded the 10 speed transmission offers so much flexibility in final ratios that it offers power and economy regardless.
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I have a 2016 F350 4x4 Diesel Kings Ranch... with a 3:55 AXLE. Pulls my 27 Foot International very well.

The AXLE ratio is important. The F150 Eco Boost most likely have a High Ratio Rear End. I have not looked, but if you are pulling a 27 foot or longer Airstream... I suspect that is true.

Search the Internet for: CarProUSA The Right Axle Ratio

"Trailer-Towing Guides:

The good news is that a quick Google search will find all the manufacturers’ trailer-towing guides. This is why it is important to get your trailer before you get your truck. Find the right truck based on the total weight of whatever you are towing. If it is a travel trailer, make sure you add for contents that go inside. Carrying water, clothes, canned goods, butane, etc. can add a lot of weight. If it is a cargo trailer, what is the most weight you’ll be towing?"

Trailer Towing Guide: Same Post-

"Finally, lean to the upper side. It is better to have too much truck, than not enough, when it comes to carrying loads."

If you do not know your Axle Ratio... You do not know your Front End from your Rear End.
Higher ratio will give you higher speed..not good for towing..lower ratio is better
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Those are NOT MY quote in quotations, but the 'experts. They also have questions from the general public. We have plenty of Tire Experts. I do not agree with them and will keep my 16 inch LT /LTX 16 inch Michelins. Tested and proven by use.

With anticipation... some 'Rear End Experts' will step forward.

My F350 had the option of a 3:55 or a 3:73 differential. There were no other options. This gave me the Torque and decent miles per gallon. Also helps in slowing down with the Diesel Engine in Tow Mode. The current F350 just happened to be what I needed.

'Disinformation' is available on the Air Forums on ALL subjects. That is why we discuss everything and can make our own decision... sometimes.

This information can be searched on the Tow Vehicle Manufacturers and other Websites. I have yet to find a Differential / Rear End expert participating in helping those making inquiries as to what Tow Vehicle they should check out to tow their length of a current or future Airstream.

Differential options HAVE NOT BEEN OFFERED IN THEIR ADVICE. Nor mine. Now everyone can check it out on their own.

Critics are everywhere. Look at their choice for a Tow Vehicle for their Airstream... and let everyone be... judged. Make your own decisions from doing some research and asking questions. Not everyone uses their Tow Vehicle and Trailer in Tow combinations the same.

AKA... Rocky Mountain Towing and Great Plains Towing... are not the same comparison. Choose what is most appropriate for your kind of traveling. It will make a difference.


Good advice I agree with you Ray, most of the information read here and other parts of the internet should serve as a starting point for further investigation. Sometimes we need reminders. Thanks
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The problem is that few people ever fully specify what they mean. "Higher numeric ratio" gives you higher engine RPM at a given speed in a particular gear, lower top speed, and generally more torque available at the drive wheels. Many people say "higher ratio" when in fact they mean "higher speed." A 3.15:1 rear axle (that will give you higher speed at a particular RPM) is a LOWER ratio in terms of, y'know, the ratio, than a 3.55:1. When people refer to "low gearing" they generally mean low speed, actually a HIGH ratio.
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Also, for new 250 and 350 Powerstrokes SuperDuty trucks, only 3.31 and 3.55 are available in single-wheel trucks. This is likely due to the advent of the 10-speed transmission in the SuperDuties, which was what caused the shift in standard and available differentials on the 150s. The much bigger split available from the minimum to the maximum transmission ratio makes it much easier to keep the engine in its best operating RPM range while still delivering good wheel torque at low speeds and reasonably low RPM in highway cruising.
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Whoa.... Six Ratios

If anyone wants to dig half a hole to discover you can dig even... deeper. Look at some general Internet Searches.

If you want to know EVERYTHING, a range of models to my 2016 with the Six Speed, go to this website.

No. I do not have a 10 Speed. SIX is four short of TEN. The 2016 DID NOT have Ten Speed Transmissions. SIX with the Tow/Haul Mode.

www.autonews.com/assets/PDF/CA67871128.PDF

No, I did not do this from memory. I read it off my https search engine. Not my transmission and differential... engine.
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