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Old 08-13-2018, 09:05 AM   #61
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what would be a good TV if one wanted to focus on fuel efficiency while towing, say, a 23 or 25?


You also have to consider cost of vehicle maintenance. I think F150 3.5 Ecoboost is best for that size. Or Dodge Ram ecodiesel.
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You also have to consider cost of vehicle maintenance. I think F150 3.5 Ecoboost is best for that size. Or Dodge Ram ecodiesel.
Echoboost for sure...not sure about the Echodiesel; maintenance cost and cost of fuel for diesel vs gas?
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food for thought, thanks for the advice!
would it change anything if i'm a "cradle-to-grave" type owner?
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food for thought, thanks for the advice!
would it change anything if i'm a "cradle-to-grave" type owner?
Depends on how long you live and how many miles you plan to drive! LOL I had 130+K on my 2012F150EB and it was still going strong...change the oil regularly and should be fine...the 6.2 GM with 8speed is another one to consider...I loved my Ford, but the new GM 1/2T with 6.2/8spd is also very nice. Dodge 1/2 Hemi is another choice and likely the least expensive of the 3...just make sure the sticker payload is at least 1500lbs on which ever one you choose is my recommendation...
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what would be a good TV if one wanted to focus on fuel efficiency while towing, say, a 23 or 25?
Fuel efficiency wouldn’t be my first consideration for towing. If it was, it would force me to a less than optimum choice for performance.
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yes, i'm green behind the ears, so to speak.
i've driven a couple of 1/2 tons, but never owned one. the current use case for the TV would be towing during the summers, probably roaming about 8k miles over the span of 5-6 weeks, with the AS trailing about, say 5k of those miles. so, the torque of the 3.0 diesel seems appealing on paper, and the non-towing efficiency is also appealing, again, on paper.
i know things change when the rubber meets the road, though.
i've been reading up in some other threads, and since i'm new to the forum, i haven't encountered a use case exactly like mine yet.
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Depends on how long you live and how many miles you plan to drive! LOL I had 130+K on my 2012F150EB and it was still going strong...change the oil regularly and should be fine...the 6.2 GM with 8speed is another one to consider...I loved my Ford, but the new GM 1/2T with 6.2/8spd is also very nice. Dodge 1/2 Hemi is another choice and likely the least expensive of the 3...just make sure the sticker payload is at least 1500lbs on which ever one you choose is my recommendation...
yeah, the F-150 power stroke has a 1380# payload, which doesn't exactly fill me with confidence. could the payload# be tweaked with a good WD hitch?
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yeah, the F-150 power stroke has a 1380# payload, which doesn't exactly fill me with confidence. could the payload# be tweaked with a good WD hitch?
No...the payload is what it says, no matter adding airbags or springs...you should make sure you get sufficient payload when you select your TV. The WD will distribute the weight of the trailer evenly on your TV front/rear axels which gives you better handling/level ride while towing. Not sure about loss of payload on the F150 Diesel models payload hit...but I know diesels take away big payload vs gas typically. Again, Echoboost or GM 6.2 may be best if payload is of interest...you may want to add a shell on the back at some point and kayaks or canoe...nice to have the extra payload and not worry about it. If your staying with 23 or 25, the 1/2T is a great size.
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One issue with the F150 Powerstroke is that in consumer setups it's only available on the top trim levels, so you're already dealing with a heavier options load. The heavy engine plus the options load and the inability to order the high trim levels with the HD Payload option keeps payload low.

They're supposed to offer the little Powerstroke to fleet customers in XL and XLT trims that might let you put together a capable overall package, but for the F150 they sharply limit what's available on an XLT to push buyers into the luxury trims. On the Superduty they allow quite a few more nice toys to be configured on the XLT trim level, and the higher trims are still available on high-payload chassis setups. But they're not trying to segment the market, really they're not.
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food for thought, thanks for the advice!

would it change anything if i'm a "cradle-to-grave" type owner?


The problem with diesels is the engine often out lasts other truck components. Also when maintenance starts on diesels it gets spendy. I would buy a good gas that would do job before a diesel. I have a 28’. My F150 ecboost with 10 gears really does well. When I retire I might go with a 3/4 diesel only because of the engine brake in mountains. But otherwise it is overkill.
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The problem with diesels is the engine often out lasts other truck components. Also when maintenance starts on diesels it gets spendy. I would buy a good gas that would do job before a diesel. I have a 28’. My F150 ecboost with 10 gears really does well. When I retire I might go with a 3/4 diesel only because of the engine brake in mountains. But otherwise it is overkill.
yeah, that's a negative for the PS 3.0... no engine brake.
how does the F150 gasser do, fuel-efficiency-wise, going downhill?
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If you go to the gauntlet test on YouTube you will see a real world demonstration. It doesn’t have the capacity of a true Diesel engine brake. But it is adequate for a 23 to 25’. I get about 12 mpg while towing my 28’. But I get 23 mpg when not towing which is most of the time.
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yeah, that's a negative for the PS 3.0... no engine brake.
how does the F150 gasser do, fuel-efficiency-wise, going downhill?
Here is where your match up on which size trailer you get can affect the handling and braking on your TV. I personally, think the F150 EB 1/2T's are great TV's for 20' thru 25' AS's. Great performance, power, capabilities, assuming you get right payload. You have tow/haul mode and engine does pretty good job managing your pulling when engaged. You can add brake gain if needed or use the manual brake levers...I only did that a few times in 5 years of towing...going down a very steep and windy highway. Other folks use the transmission to slow down by using the manual shifting option to keep in lower gear.

I like my 3/4T F250 for my 28'AS, but many here use the F150 EB for 26 and larger, and seem to be fine. If I go back to 25'AS, I will likely go down to the 1/2T again. Easier to park/drive. As for the F250, I know in some situations, I am glad to have the extras for the larger AS on my TV...such as engine brake, larger/heavier frame, suspension, brakes and payload that are on the diesel 3/4T and 1T models. I did not like the ride on 2016 and earlier 3/4T but they changed the suspension in 2017 and it really rides nice now. I pull a lot in the Rockies, so to me, the extra power and added benefits I have with the F250 6.7D make me feel pretty confident.
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Some of what one decides depends upon where you will be doing your towing and how much you will tow a year. I'd love to go to the Rockies, but that's not in the cards for at least a few more years. Most of my towing is within a day or 2 trip from my home. So it makes no sense for me to spend the extra money for a diesel or drive around a 3/4 ton pickup. I will say I do have a propride hitch for ease of towing. It made towing my 28' AS much more relaxed.

Once I'm retired and I increase the distance and amount of my trips then it may make some sense to go with the 3/4 ton for payload, suspension and heavier brakes. Now whether I go with a diesel that's another matter. They are getting more and more out of gas engines. If they put a turbo charged engine in a F250 that would be great. If one could get 450 to 500hp and over 500lbs of torque out of a gas that would be ideal for many. In fact they are getting that out of the super turbo charged 3.5L! Of course the extra duty brakes of the F250 is nice as well. And of course the diesel engine brake is wonderful. But for the extra $9,000?

Now if I lived within 2 hours of the rockies???? Then that engine brake becomes really nice.

I think you will find the F150 Ecoboost a very nice truck. I love mine. It rides wonderfully. The advantage of the XLT is creature comforts and reasonably decent payload. Mine is over 1800lbs.
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Never any problems with our ram....we run it when it is down to 8 degrees...all the big trucks have def....they keep running...there is a heater somewhere in the tank...
Yeah, but he’s asking about an F150!!!
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Yeah, but he’s asking about an F150!!!
Wouldn’t be much different......
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The problem with diesels is the engine often out lasts other truck components. Also when maintenance starts on diesels it gets spendy. I would buy a good gas that would do job before a diesel. I have a 28’. My F150 ecboost with 10 gears really does well. When I retire I might go with a 3/4 diesel only because of the engine brake in mountains. But otherwise it is overkill.
Either engine should last well over 300,000 miles with proper maintenance. I’m talking full size engines and not the V6s.

I’ve had good luck with all the V8 gas and diesels I’ve owned. About ready to pull the trigger on a 2013 PSD Crew Cab with 27,000 miles. Maintenance will be expensive but I have a good diesel guy in the family 😎
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That is off-topic for this thread, which is focused on the 3-liter Power Stroke engine.
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what would be a good TV if one wanted to focus on fuel efficiency while towing, say, a 23 or 25?


We just traded a 2010 Tahoe LTZ (320 hp) for a 2018 Tahoe RST (6.2L; 420 hp)...just got back from 3200 mi trip to Yellowstone pulling FC23FB. Results 12.1 mpg (2018) v 9.9 mpg (2010).... therefore 20% improvement in gas mileage (and 20% greater range w 26 gal tank). 10 speed transmission was great asset in mountains for engine for passing/climbing/“breaking”...we tow about 20% of total mileage/yr...so for us a good fit for the 23 size (6000 GVWR).
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