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Old 11-12-2018, 10:02 AM   #21
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Originally Posted by tojimmiller View Post
Get a 150 minimum. Jeep has a very short wheel base. Might get a little squirreling going down hills 2500 or full size suburban is better. Plus you can take your 7 new best friends and their dogs
My cousin lives thousand oaks no ph. serv. internet, only got back in serv. when wind shifted yesterday but starting get windy again. I also think she stated no tv. They live very very close to fire, were ready to evac. until wind shift.
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Old 11-12-2018, 10:14 AM   #22
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Originally Posted by Garfish View Post
No go pro but will take video tomorrow with IPhone
Hope everything is going well.

Can you give us a geographic landmark so we can get a good view on Google maps? For instance, there seems to be land near the Malibu Beach RV Park which matches your general description.

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Old 11-12-2018, 10:49 AM   #23
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Originally Posted by SailorSam205 View Post
I wouldn't hesitate with my 150. But really, any vehicle should be able to handle 800 feet. Start and stay slow. Put your vehicle in a low gear before you start down.

Good luck and best wishes to avoid the fires.
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Old 11-12-2018, 10:49 AM   #24
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Good luck to all of you in California dealing with this horrible issue. As others have said, you will have no problem driving this grade with your setup. Take it slow and use the trailer brakes manually and all will be well.
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Old 11-12-2018, 11:35 AM   #25
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I hope by time you read this you are safe and sound. Sounds like Las Flores? I have a GC with tow pkg and brake controller. I lived in the 'bu but now in the San Berdoos (every day is an adventure in towing) but I will follow this post to hear how you got down. If I remember correctly, your area is twisty and only one (practical) way is down Las Flores? (Rambla Pacific wiped out in 93, right?).
I await details of your outcome. The risk of fire (and earthquakes, landslides etc) was the price we pay for living in unparalleled beauty. Sorry y'all got caught up in this latest drama.
Stay safe even if you lv the AS behind. There's always insurance and they'll make more of them, but not more of you.
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Old 11-12-2018, 12:27 PM   #26
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Take your tow vehicle and practice the run solo to get the feel of the road/hill.
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Old 11-12-2018, 06:21 PM   #27
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We live in the Studio City area ( about 25 miles away) with a space big enough for your rig in front of our house with electrical and water hookups if you need a place to stay.
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Old 11-12-2018, 06:32 PM   #28
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Having been evacuated this year our hearts go out to you. We live in Idyllwild, CA and the Fires up here were devastating o our mountain! Luckily we were able to come back to our home but the area of the fire looks unbelievable!
Hopefully your home will be there when you return!
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Old 11-12-2018, 08:34 PM   #29
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Stay safe and hope you don’t have to evacuate. Fire season is the fifth season out west. Crazy.
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Old 11-13-2018, 07:42 AM   #30
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The fire has stayed to the west and the winds are blowing south west to the ocean so did not and should not come this way. We live on Rambla Pacifico 10 houses from start of private, steep road to PCH. Staying home with the AS. All the help on TV and our safety appreciated. Many friends have lost their homes so we feel blessed
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Old 11-13-2018, 08:05 AM   #31
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Garfish so glad you are ready in case you need to leave and hopefully the Santa Ana's will cooperate. That looks like a very beautiful area you are in.

If you don't mind me hijacking your thread for just a moment pardon me. I wonder how the Airstream that's perched on a Malibu cliff (unknown on the exact location) and rents for $600 a night on Airbnb fared?

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Old 11-13-2018, 07:08 PM   #32
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I need to apologize for my error in grade versus angle. I drive down a lot of 7% grades here in Colorado and they seem steep to me. A 19% grade seemed impossible to me.

Generally slope grade is about half the angle, not twice the angle as I mistakenly mentioned. 19% grade is still darn steep, but not the steepness I had mentioned. Hey, we learn from each other here on Air Forums.

The advice here for descending this steep grade with your Airstream in tow is valid.

But most importantly Garfish and all the others in harms way are escaping and taken shelter.

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Old 11-14-2018, 06:46 PM   #33
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I know the Airstream up on the mountain top, my daughter stayed there once. I expect it is toast as was near worst area. We stayed and fire danger has past. Still not sure about towing down. If there is time when fire comes again (it will) then I will go out the other way it safe. My friend who drives a huge water truck all over the Santa Monica mountains and is a safe, but kick ass guy told me DONT TRY IT, David. I know a 22 or 23 AS was towed down with 150. But ......
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Old 11-14-2018, 07:33 PM   #34
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Good to hear you made it ok.
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Old 11-14-2018, 07:34 PM   #35
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Hope you are still in the clear as far as the flames go, Air Quality, probably not so much. Back in the mid 2000's, I lived in an apt on the Campus of Cal State Channel Islands in Camarillo and worked at Amgen in TO. I also commuted on weekends back to my permanent home (at the time) in Milwaukee, and always left TO on Friday afternoon and drove down Malibu Canyon Rd to the PCH and down to Santa Monica to get to LAX. It was predictable while the 101/405 were not. A fun drive in a Volvo AWD wagon, not so much with a truck and AS, but I've probably been on worse.

While there, we had the torrential Winter storm that brought a Mountainside down on La Conchita just to the South of Santa Barbara. I came into LAX one night and found the 405 was flooded as were parts of the 101. I wound my way up the PCH to near Malibu but had to take detours up and down canyon roads to get around landslides blocking the PCH. It was blocked just that side of Pt Magu, so I took a canyon rd up to West Lake Village and was able to get to the 101, however the exits at the bottom of the grade coming into Camarillo were all flooded so had to proceed all the way to Oxnard and back South on the PCH and back roads to the campus. What a night... dodging boulders and rivers running across those narrow canyon roads!

It took me about 6 hrs to get home in what was usually less than a 2 hr drive. To my amazement, the canyon road going up to Newbury Park (my back way to Amgen) was open the next morning while Camarillo was still flooded.

I had seen small fires in the vicinity of where the Hill fire just burned through, and was always on the watch as my Apt backed right up to those hills and Pt Magu State Park. Glad to see they got that one contained! I have also seen fires over between Moorpark and Camarillo and some were pretty intense, but back then, it was a whole lot less densely populated.

What did ensue however, were the landslides that followed when the rainy season finally came... and I fear you have just begun to see nature's wrath. Let's hope the rains are gentle this year...

I know a bit about forest fire fighting having been certified in California back in the late 70's. I trained with the Forest Service at the College of the Redwoods. It was gruelling work, just cutting simulated fire lines... And yes we did this in similar terrain, on hillsides with 100% (45 degree) slopes. One thing for sure, you don't want to be at the head of those lines... Unfortunately for me, I was deemed too valuable in mapping timber sales (up near Gasquet in the Six Rivers National Forest) to be assigned to fires that summer and I was only making GS3 wages and going broke. It was a light fire season, so otherwise I might have had a chance to make some real money (hazard pay). Still a wonderful experience.
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Old 11-14-2018, 08:15 PM   #36
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I fear for California, Iím a native but my family left when I was three. I was born in UCLA Hospital in 1967. This is what made it so difficult for me in 1993 when we were deployed on the Malibu Fire. I grew up saying I wanted to go back.

I hear on the news this is due to climate change, poor forest management, utility issues....I think that is all garbage. I was in those hills in 1993, there is very light fast fuel, manzanita and chaparral, optimal weather conditions and strong wind.

Contarary to what the news shows, firefighters must live, no structure is worth dying for, when those fires run there is nothing you can do except hit them from the air with tankers. We ran out of Topanga Canyon like lunatics, fire was going up and down. We lit backfires around Pepperdine University.

The whole time I was with Montana firefighters, they could not comprehend the fire danger. I think we will see fires there every year. Very sad, please think about the future and stay safe.
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Old 11-14-2018, 08:27 PM   #37
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Garfish we are glad you came back on to let us know how you are doing and that you were able to stay put.

Was not trying to be insensitive when asking about the Malibu bluff Airstream. Just know it was not far away from you and wishing them well also.

Lives and heartbeats always trump property but we all have a soft spot for Airstreams. Stay safe.

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Old 11-14-2018, 08:36 PM   #38
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Echoing that! Stuff can be replaced. So many lost their lives stuck on the escape routes up at the Camp fire... Makes one wonder how many tried to save stuff before fleeing.

One last thought on the Malibu Canyon Rd. Not only do you have the canyon drop off on the one side, on the hill side (on your side driving downhill) you also have deep ditches to channel runoff of the hill. In the heavy smoke, and given the twisty nature of that road, it wouldn't take much to lose sight of the edge of the road and run off into the ditch.

As my Great Grandfather used to say, Keep it between the ditches, and don't try to straighten out the curves!
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Old 11-18-2018, 10:50 AM   #39
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I realize this post is a few days old.

Why wait? In last year's Sonoma County fire, a friend described how fast the fire traveled, and how he and his wife had time to grab the car keys and nothing else before driving down their fiery driveway. They didn't have the luxury of driving 5 mph.

Be safe! You're worth it!
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Old 11-18-2018, 10:52 AM   #40
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I face about 400 feet of 19 degrees every time I come or go. No problem. If it is wet, test your trailer brakes before you get on it.
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