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Old 12-01-2018, 09:44 PM   #41
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If the Ecodiesel engine doesn’t go out on your 2015 Jeep GC, you have a poorly designed DEF tank sensor just waiting to fail. To replace one requires replacing the entire DEF tank assembly which will set you back $4000 parts & labor after you find one or sit on a waiting list for delivery.
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I love diesels, just not the new ones.
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Old 12-01-2018, 11:48 PM   #43
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If the Ecodiesel engine doesn’t go out on your 2015 Jeep GC, you have a poorly designed DEF tank sensor just waiting to fail. To replace one requires replacing the entire DEF tank assembly which will set you back $4000 parts & labor after you find one or sit on a waiting list for delivery.
I read an article recently that if you had crunched a left front fender on a new Hyundai the repair tab would be $34,000. Apparently all the sensors for lane change warning, automatic braking and such are very expensive and difficult to replace and realign. Seems you need an empty 1500 sq. ft. area just to get them aligned properly. Brings the cost of diesel repair back into a more reasonable range.

Bottom line all this fancy new technology that weakens and attempts to replace our well honed driving skills are ridiculously expensive. I really do like the old school stuff.
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I really do like the old school stuff.

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Did you etch this message I to stone tablet or write it on papyrus?
Strictly stone my friend, lasts longer.
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Old 12-02-2018, 03:20 AM   #46
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Let me just apply my politically incorrect opinion, the EPA ruined diesels with it’s unreasonable emission control requirements.
Ruined? I bought a 7.3 in 1992....a year later I installed the ats turbo...sent the fuel pump to SLC. to recalibrate....it was a good work pickup...I kept it until 2009..had 187,000 miles...right head gasket was leaking water..it went away...07 ram 6.7 was a way better outfit..110,000 , never been in the shop , 350 hp..the old 7.3 was 190 ? My new 17 ram has 27 ,000 and doing good...380 hp and better mileage...20-21 empty 12.5-14 with the 31’ as..I do not use they as grocery getters...just to pull the as..
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Old 12-02-2018, 05:23 AM   #47
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Ruined? I bought a 7.3 in 1992....a year later I installed the ats turbo...sent the fuel pump to SLC. to recalibrate....it was a good work pickup...I kept it until 2009..had 187,000 miles...right head gasket was leaking water..it went away...07 ram 6.7 was a way better outfit..110,000 , never been in the shop , 350 hp..the old 7.3 was 190 ? My new 17 ram has 27 ,000 and doing good...380 hp and better mileage...20-21 empty 12.5-14 with the 31’ as..I do not use they as grocery getters...just to pull the as..
You can put a tuner on that Ram and add 120hp too...for off road use only though 😎
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Old 12-02-2018, 07:57 AM   #48
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I have a 2007 Mercedes ML320 CDI V6 turbo diesel now with 185,000 milers and my wife has a 2009 Mercedes ML320 CDI Bluetooth V6 turbo diesel (actually no DEF as it was one of a few regeneration models made) with nearly 65,000 miles. There is no exhaust diesel smell. There is a little more engine noise at idle and of course there is the smell of the diesel fuel at the dispensing pump.

We can see close to 40 mpg on the highway with her car and 32+ in city driving. Stomp the pedal and it really accelerates due to the low end torque.

I see consistently 28+ highway in the all wheel drive ML. City driving drops to 22 mpg. Towing the 23D, I see 16.5 mpg on the highway and 11 in the mountains.

The V6 gasoline engine of the ML build year got in the low 20s mph just highway driving and mid teens city. The V6 diesel had more torque than the V8 gas option that saw under 16 highway. The E320 v6 gas had a max of 28 mpg highway.

As a reference, all US Mercedes gasoline engines require premium to operate optimally. Diesel is still cheaper than premium gasoline in Arizona.

There appears to be a lack of low displacement gasoline powered tow vehicles that would get good fuel economy towing a 6,000 pound Airstream trailer.
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Old 12-02-2018, 08:17 AM   #49
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Engine blew up!

I can rebuild my entire 6.0 Chevrolet for what it will cost to replace an injector in a modern diesel.
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Ruined? I bought a 7.3 in 1992....a year later I installed the ats turbo...sent the fuel pump to SLC. to recalibrate....it was a good work pickup...I kept it until 2009..had 187,000 miles...right head gasket was leaking water..it went away...07 ram 6.7 was a way better outfit..110,000 , never been in the shop , 350 hp..the old 7.3 was 190 ? My new 17 ram has 27 ,000 and doing good...380 hp and better mileage...20-21 empty 12.5-14 with the 31’ as..I do not use they as grocery getters...just to pull the as..


And yet the title to this thread is what?

When will the subject truck be repaired and returned to it’s owner?
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I have a 2005 Jeep Liberty CRD 2.8L turbo diesel engine built by VM Motori, 5 speed, 225,000 miles and going strong. No Def. VM Motori was owned by Daimler, when it owned Chrysler. No problems, other than water in the fuel 2x. I expect to buy a late model 3/4 ton or 1 ton diesel soon. Or was going to, until I read the posts on this thread.
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Old 12-02-2018, 11:40 AM   #52
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Was looking at a 3.0l 4 cylinder diesel Promaster, gave up on it.
Had a 2.8l CRD Liberty for 100,000 miles, loved it, towed 7,000lbs handily.
Now have a 5.9l 12v Cummins in a Ram 3500, very happy.
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Old 12-02-2018, 12:20 PM   #53
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Ecodiesel blew up

Hi Tony, my 2014 Ecodiesel blew up nearly 2 years ago at 36k miles. Mine had an oil cooler failure. It is a radiator like device bolted to the engine block that has coolant and oil flowing through it. A failure occurs mixing coolant and oil and the engine is toast in about a minute.

Tell you friend to make sure they replace the coolant hoses and radiator with the motor. Ram installed a new motor which now has about 9k miles on and it is running fine.

I enjoy the gas mileage and the torque but the threat of another engine failure makes me nervous.

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Do we know if the oil cooler is a VM Motori part or an FCA/Ram part?
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Hi Tony, my 2014 Ecodiesel blew up nearly 2 years ago at 36k miles. Mine had an oil cooler failure. It is a radiator like device bolted to the engine block that has coolant and oil flowing through it. A failure occurs mixing coolant and oil and the engine is toast in about a minute.

Tell you friend to make sure they replace the coolant hoses and radiator with the motor. Ram installed a new motor which now has about 9k miles on and it is running fine.

I enjoy the gas mileage and the torque but the threat of another engine failure makes me nervous.

Doug
It's making my boss more than a little nervous, as he tends to drive his truck long distances; and to break down on the coldest evening on record for November, did little to reassure him.

I did offer him one of my two 12 valve Cummins though, to try and perk him up...

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It sounds like VernDiesel hit the lottery his and a lot of other folks hit the wall.

Wow.
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It sounds like VernDiesel hit the lottery his and a lot of other folks hit the wall.

Wow.
Or the use case differs. VernDiesel works his engine, so it is hot, which it likes. Few if any short trips, which it won’t like.

Bad idea to purchase any diesel if it is going to be used for a significant number of short trips, never fully warming up.
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Start a diesel and turn it off hours later a thousand miles away and it will last a long time and lots of miles. They are really not well suited for "Shopping Mall" hoppers"

When driving to Indiana from Phoenix and returning, it takes me two days to go the nearly 1,800 miles each way. Oil and filter gets changed at 5,000 mile intervals like clockwork.

One of my Dad's favorite sayings is "Oil is still cheaper than main bearings!"
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Or the use case differs. VernDiesel works his engine, so it is hot, which it likes. Few if any short trips, which it won’t like.

Bad idea to purchase any diesel if it is going to be used for a significant number of short trips, never fully warming up.
What do you mean "never fully warming up" and what is a "short trip"? I drive mine 15 miles each way every morning to the gym when not Airstreaming...I start with the remote keyfob 5-7 min before leaving and average speed is about 65; rarely if ever, stomp on the gas...no need. It is always pretty warm when I get in; seats on and wheel are very warm...(colder weather of course). Are you suggesting that is not enough time to warm up a diesel 6.7L?
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Start a diesel and turn it off hours later a thousand miles away and it will last a long time and lots of miles. They are really not well suited for "Shopping Mall" hoppers"

When driving to Indiana from Phoenix and returning, it takes me two days to go the nearly 1,800 miles each way. Oil and filter gets changed at 5,000 mile intervals like clockwork.

One of my Dad's favorite sayings is "Oil is still cheaper than main bearings!"
This is mostly a fulse belief. I've been repairing/rebuilding modern diesels for 15 years.
Modern diesels mostly fail now due to emissions/heat. Examples: oil cooler failure, EGR cooler failure, injector failure, vgt failure, poor diesel quality, excessive lean conditions (fuel system) high oil consumption (lack of cylinder lubrication), cracking cylinder heads (due to the use of alloy heads) and lastly. Because many manufacturers have started installing their European cousins Crap diesel engines in them. Many manufacturers are struggling to comply with emissions so they grab a diesel designed I'm Europe that isn't designed for US conditions. Fuso is a good example. For years their Mitsubishi engines were bullet proof. Now they have a dual overhead cam fiat Diesel. And you guessed it. It's junk and every replacement part costs an arm and a leg.

Some modern diesel engimes will fail regardless of how you drive them.
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