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Old 11-29-2023, 02:46 PM   #1
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Do I still need antisway hitch? After upgrading to Ram 3500 from 1500?

We have a Flying Cloud Bunk 30ft and love it. We've been using the pro-ride system and its worked well. We're upgrading our vehicle to a RAM 3500 (so excited) and wondering if those of you using a 3500 (or similar) still use an anti sway hitch system? I've seen a few on the road who were ball only, so I'd love to hear what you have found works well.

Also brings up the question of why would I not use it? I'm not sure sure how well the proride does on steep apexes or off road. I've heard some say to loosen the arms to accommodate bumps etc.

What have you all found?
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Old 11-29-2023, 02:59 PM   #2
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We tow with a RAM 2500 and are using the ProPride hitch system. With this TV it doesn't need as much weight distribution (and with a 3500 I would think you need less). But I really like the antisway prevention with the ProPride. No sway at all, even when passed by big trucks/buses. I also view it as a safety issue.

Hitches seem to be a very personal decision. Many do tow on the ball only and seem satisfied. All I can tell you is that I like my set up and would do it again.

YMMV!
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Old 11-29-2023, 03:10 PM   #3
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I personally don't tow with a RAM 3500. However, RAM recommends not only sway control, but weight distributing equipment as well, for any trailer over 5000 lbs, for the 2500 and 3500.

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Warning - If the gross trailer weight is 5,000 lb (2,267 kg) or more, it is recommended to use a weight-distributing hitch to ensure stable handling of your vehicle. If you use a standard weight-carrying hitch, you could lose control of your vehicle and cause a collision.
The specification they have in the manual is for 50% return of weight to the front axle, calculated by measuring front fender height.

I would use WD, and if you already have the Propride, I agree with your observation, why would you not use it?
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Old 11-29-2023, 03:35 PM   #4
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I tow with a RAM 3500 and love it. We also use a Blue Ox hitch and the whole set-up rides very well.
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Old 11-29-2023, 08:10 PM   #5
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I use a Hensley on my 2500. I have towed with and without. I would definitely use the propride hitch.
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Old 11-29-2023, 09:33 PM   #6
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We still use our Equalizer hitch on our F350 with the load bars slacked off just a bit - so as to not cause the front end of the TV to go light. The AS is connected to the EQ hitch via a Shocker Air hitch ... that gives us the best of all worlds ... reduced sway, equalized weight, and cushy ride for the AS.
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Old 11-29-2023, 10:09 PM   #7
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Hi, a few years back there was a big debate about this topic. An Airstreamer stated that he owned a 50,000 lb. dump truck, and 5,000 lb. utility trailer, that put him in a ditch.
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Old 11-30-2023, 07:42 AM   #8
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It's doubtful that you will need weight distribution with a 3500 pickup. I tow a FC 30' RB with a Silverado 2500HD with the hitch on the ball and I've never had reason to add WD. Life if much simpler when you just drop the trailer on the ball and drive away. My advice is the try it without the WD and then decide. You will hear a lot of what if's here but it's your decision.
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Old 11-30-2023, 10:21 AM   #9
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The OP asked about anti-sway, unless he meant WD.

There is no doubt that his TV can handle the tongue weight without requiring any significant WD. But let's not forget that any WD to the front of the TV (in this case a heavy loaded 1 ton TV) is done at the cost of pressure being placed on the trailer frame by the hitch, which can lead to serious issues due to frame flex if it is overdone (i.e. front end issues).

As for the sway, that is pretty well independent of the TV and is a factor of many parameters including how the trailer is loaded, with backend loading leading to less stable sway conditions (if you haven't seen it:

The advantage of a beefier TV is you don't need to crank up WD to compensate for the TV rear suspension's inability to handle the load, but having an anti-sway system (there are various kinds: friction based, hitch geometry based (Hensley/PP), cam based (BlueOx)) makes for less stressful secure driving.
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Old 11-30-2023, 10:28 AM   #10
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Hi

One of the fun things you can do with some hitches is to tow with the "features" disabled. I do this from time to time. It's simply easier / quicker to do things that way.

With the hitch disabled, I can pretty easily "get things going" at speeds in the 60 to 70 MPH range. Just how quickly problems build up depends on wind and a few other factors. I could do this with the F250 and I can still do it with the F350.

Simple answer: you need the anti-sway hitch.

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Old 11-30-2023, 10:35 AM   #11
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You definitely will not need an anti sway hitch …… until (like 4WD and fire insurance) you do.

We tow our 16’ trailer without weight distribution or sway control; however, the tv is 2’ longer than the trailer and outweighs it two to one. But, with a 30’ trailer which outweighs the truck by a ton, I would not go without it.
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Old 11-30-2023, 11:19 AM   #12
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Great responses all around! Thanks everyone. Love this community. Will definitely keep using the pro ride.
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Old 11-30-2023, 11:50 AM   #13
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For all of the naysayers, here's a good video from a well known YouTube channel, Thirteen Adventures, where he explains why he doesn't use WD. There are many more out there. Bottom line is that a normal, prudent person is able to decide what they need. Don't invest thousands of dollars in a system until you're sure you need it. 27:10 into the video in case you don't want to watch the whole thing.


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Old 11-30-2023, 11:57 AM   #14
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For all of the naysayers, here's a good video from a well known YouTube channel, Thirteen Adventures, where he explains why he doesn't use WD. There are many more out there. Bottom line is that a normal, prudent person is able to decide what they need. Don't invest thousands of dollars in a system until you're sure you need it. 27:10 into the video in case you don't want to watch the whole thing.


In the words of Jackie Gleason, "And awaaaaay we go!". I'll take the recommendations/requirements of the tow vehicle manufacturer over ANY YouTuber, any day.
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Old 11-30-2023, 11:59 AM   #15
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After it sorts out

With that Ram truck no., Our experience towing a 30ft with our 3/4 ton Ford we settled on a both system. A Shocker Hitch that allows use of weight bars. At first we had just the equalizer 1400 head and bars but found they beat up the trailer.

With the shocker Hitch you can still use Rock tamers if you wish the shank is long enough. The weight bars will not be needed so much for weight transfer but adjusted correctly they are a safety for sway control. I have experimented towing on the ball without the weight bars and the truck handled it just fine.

I wish I had the Moxy! to tow just on the ball as others have on our Forum, but i feel safer with them. I am VERY pleased with the way the Shocker hitch has lessened strain on both my trailerís ft end and my trucks drive train. You can feel the difference stopping taking off and over dips in the road.
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Old 12-06-2023, 10:35 AM   #16
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The 3500 hundred or 350 part of your truck is how much weight we could put in the bed and it also means some other things too. The length of your truck like if it's a crew cab or four door as opposed to extended cab ( two door with an inside place to make a mess ) and a regular two door cab and short bed or long bed . A long bed according to truck law article 3 section 2 is an 8 foot bed. ( being a little funny ��). It's the length of the tow vehicle like a suburban or crew cab with a long bed that is where you might not have swaying. This is where your 30 foot trailer and 20 foot tow vehicle will handle desert winds and not sway . So if you have a short bed( 6ft ) 2 door 3500 you still might need sway bar set up. I DO have a one ton 350 long bed crew cab and tow a 31 ' sovereign and it does not sway not even in the desert winds . Try it without and if you need it get it .
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Old 12-06-2023, 10:54 AM   #17
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A large tow vehicle is seat-of-the-pants sway control because it typically isn't felt. The problem with that method is people generally slow down when they do feel it so not feeling it leaves a false sense of security unitl the speed makes it unrecoverable.

Trailers oscillate on a hitch ball independent from the size of the tow vehicle.
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Old 12-06-2023, 11:03 AM   #18
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I run with 2 linear sway control bars. My '77 30' Excella 500 came with the 2 small attachment balls, so I went with that. My '00 Dodge 2500 4x4 5.9 Cummins 6speed has plenty of weight up front, so I never thought a ProPride was necessary. And the linear sway bars won't try to remove any fingers, if I do something wrong, lol.
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Old 12-06-2023, 11:29 AM   #19
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Crazy question...again! You have the pro-WDH with SC guys on your left shoulder recommending using, and the "naysayers" on your right shoulder telling you "your safe" without using WDH...reminds me of when we were kids..."should I do this and be safe" or should I throw caution to the wind and take my chances? What you gonna do?
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Old 12-06-2023, 11:32 AM   #20
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Sway has absolutely nothing to do with the size of the TV. The trailer sways around the ball. Even the biggest truck has the same tow ball for the trailer to sway around.
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