Difficult decision on 1/2 Ton TV with AS EB25 - what would you do?

[BogeyPro]

Thank you very much for sending and sharing, GypsyDad. Is there anyway you could tell me more details about your friends beautiful new truck? Is it the XLT? Did he order the Max Trailer Tow Package? 4WD or 2WD? Moonroof? Is the bed 5' 1/2" or 6' 1/2"? Thank you again, GypsyDad.

[Dennis C]

It sounds like the 1/2 ton truck is a realistic option IF you order one that is configured properly. I’m guessing trucks like that aren’t typically found sitting on a dealership lot for sale. For those who own 1/2 ton trucks with the max tow and max payload packages, how do they ride compared to the standard 1/2 ton or compared to a 3/4 ton?

[Gene]

Funny how even with another post by the OP restating what he wanted, the 3/4 ton folks keep trying to answer a question not asked.

Among the 1/2 trucks available, we chose a Tokyo Tundra. We have a 2007 4x4 5.7 l. Tundra. Our repair expenses have been less than $75/year. It has 138,000 miles and 70,000 tow miles. Runs fine, tows fine, has enormous power and uses a lot of gas. It has a fairly soft ride and some think it is numb, but maybe they don't know how to feel the road. We have the extra cab, not crew cab. The vehicle appears to be overbuilt. I don't care to drive a 1/2 ton around town, but can and do sometimes. Cargo weight can be managed if you are careful and don't bring your anvil collection. I am not a Ford guy, but I see that 150 fans with the EcoBoost seem very happy. Dodge/Ram have long has reliability issues, though they have improved lately. GM has suffered reliability issues for years and don't seem to be able to improve. I'd still get the Tundra. Because Toyotas have been reliable for years (more reliable 20 years ago than now, but still very good), I'd look for a used one.

[Autumn94]

The properly equipped 1/2 ton can safely pull a 25ft Airstream period.
But I will tell you that we struggled with this exact question as well. I wanted a 1/2 ton as it is going to be my daily driver but many will say you can only tow with a 3/4 ton truck because of the payload issue.
example; I found a GMC Sierra loaded SLT with the Max trailering package with 1,870lbs of payload - you can find a 1/2 ton that will safely tow this trailer

[Mollysdad]

You can reduce payload by getting a better truck for towing.
I'm not talking leather, entertainment systems, and gadgets.
The tow package will include an oil cooler, perhaps a different transmission, different rear gear, bigger radiator. You think you've maximized the payload by only having an AM radio then discover your payload is less than the King Ranch with the steer horns on the hood.

[gypsydad]

Originally Posted by Gene

Funny how even with another post by the OP restating what he wanted, the 3/4 ton folks keep trying to answer a question not asked.

Among the 1/2 trucks available, we chose a Tokyo Tundra. We have a 2007 4x4 5.7 l. Tundra. Our repair expenses have been less than $75/year. It has 138,000 miles and 70,000 tow miles. Runs fine, tows fine, has enormous power and uses a lot of gas. It has a fairly soft ride and some think it is numb, but maybe they don't know how to feel the road. We have the extra cab, not crew cab. The vehicle appears to be overbuilt. I don't care to drive a 1/2 ton around town, but can and do sometimes. Cargo weight can be managed if you are careful and don't bring your anvil collection. I am not a Ford guy, but I see that 150 fans with the EcoBoost seem very happy. Dodge/Ram have long has reliability issues, though they have improved lately. GM has suffered reliability issues for years and don't seem to be able to improve. I'd still get the Tundra. Because Toyotas have been reliable for years (more reliable 20 years ago than now, but still very good), I'd look for a used one.

Gene- didn't you abandon the Airstream for an SOB? Yet your dissing input from folks who have a 3/4T and share the value for towing an AS? Tundra has to improve in a couple areas; payload is one, and gas mileage is another. There's plenty of folks who read these threads, (including me) who listen and learn from those of us who have real experience towing with various 1/2T's, 3/4T's, 1T,s and even some of those "SUV's)...learning about the new Ford hybrid today, for example...When will Toyota have some improvements? Nice truck, no argument...just not up to snuff with the latest technology, IMHO.

[gypsydad]

Originally Posted by BogeyPro

Thank you very much for sending and sharing, GypsyDad. Is there anyway you could tell me more details about your friends beautiful new truck? Is it the XLT? Did he order the Max Trailer Tow Package? 4WD or 2WD? Moonroof? Is the bed 5' 1/2" or 6' 1/2"? Thank you again, GypsyDad.

I know it's Lariat with the HD tow package a short bed, 2wd, leather, no sun roof, running boards, and bed cover included. I will ask what else he has and circle back.

[DCPAS]

Originally Posted by Dennis C

It sounds like the 1/2 ton truck is a realistic option IF you order one that is configured properly.

I don't think that's true. The OP needs a bit over 1,500 lbs payload. As long as he accepts that he can't put very much else in his truck, every truck he listed except the nicely equipped hybrid works. The question in my mind is whether you can accept the limitation of not loading up hundreds of pounds of stuff in your truck and having to put things in your trailer instead. We accept that limitation gladly in exchange for a more useable and comfortable tow vehicle.

[Dennis C]

I think it depends on the truck. It wouldn’t work for some 1/2 tons, depending on the options.

[DCPAS]

Originally Posted by Dennis C

I think it depends on the truck. It wouldn’t work for some 1/2 tons, depending on the options.

The OP described four trucks. Of those, one doesn't work and three do if he is willing to accept the payload limitations.

[BogeyPro]

Thank you, GypsyDad. It might be asking a lot, but is there any chance you could take a photo of the invoice sticker (the one the dealer puts on the window?)

[Mollysdad]

Originally Posted by gypsydad

When will Toyota have some improvements? Nice truck, no argument...just not up to snuff with the latest technology, IMHO.

When they can keep the quality while improving payload.
I chose reliability over technology.

18 mpg doesn't look so good on the hook.

[Ultraclassic]

Originally Posted by mefly2

I guess that most of the above posters did not read that we have already towed AS trailers with 3/4 ton trucks and want to know what folks have done to make their 1/2 ton trucks more acceptable as TVs... choices and/or modifications.

Please do not simply preach - get a 3/4 ton truck. Not a newlywed to AS towing ...We have been towing for over 50 years (mostly with 3/4 and above) and are looking for constructive suggestions from those who ARE CURRENTLY happy towing with their 1/2 ton pickup trucks ... be they standard cab, crew cab, extended cab, or super crew.
Been on here for over 11 years and surely note the recent tendency for posters to condescendingly pontificate rather than trying to be helpful. Yes, I understand weights and balances from USN flight training in 1969 and also wrote on AF lengthy postings on EQ hitches and modifications. We are aware that Can Am sets up vehicles (including those with less advertised cargo capacity) to safely tow longer length AS trailers and are asking if there are readers that can make constructive suggestions to that end.

Thank you for not turning my inquiry into another 1/2 vs 3/4 TV debate. It is truly a dilemma for this 73 year old - to check back to my original AS factory specs on our AS that are off by more than 150# tongue weight... 1,000 # not the 835# advertised! It is my own fault that I was too frugal to spend the $$ to buy a Sherline scale years ago! Hence the current dilemma ... LOL

I tow with a SUV with a modified receiver. And skip (or should I say pass) the 1/2 -3/4 ton pick up Only crowd

[Dennis C]

Originally Posted by DCPAS

The OP described four trucks. Of those, one doesn't work and three do if he is willing to accept the payload limitations.

Yup, I see what you mean. I guess my logic was more along the lines of the payload limitations being too much to make it work in the real world, but you are technically correct. I see your point.

[gypsydad]

Originally Posted by Mollysdad

When they can keep the quality while improving payload.
I chose reliability over technology.

18 mpg doesn't look so good on the hook.

Technology to me includes increasing payload, 8-10speed transmission, cooling, bigger brakes, and of course, mileage; not just electronics. They certainly could improve in these areas; we know they have the ability and money. Perhaps the 2022 will have some improvements; least that's what I am seeing on the new model?

From Edmonds article that stand out:
2021 Tundra-

Pros
Standard V8 power
Roomy rear seating
Standard Toyota Safety Sense driver safety and assist system
Highly capable off-road TRD models

Cons
No redesign since 2007
6 speed transmission
Below-average fuel economy
Stiffer ride than other trucks
Feels especially large when driven on tight, congested roads
Not as many customization possibilities compared to rivals
Low Payload

Review from this article:
"Great truck, horrible mileage
Earthsurfer63 ,12/18/2020
Limited 4dr Double Cab 4WD SB (5.7L 8cyl 6A)
Love this beast, but 13 mpg does suck. But I bought it for the longevity and reliability. Wish it had an inverter for 110"

Good news (maybe?) They are bringing out a new model in 2022 including a diesel option and 10speed trany, improved suspension and frame. If they do it right and also include better mileage, payload, and other "tow" improvements, along with consistent quality of the past, would be a winner.

[gypsydad]

Originally Posted by BogeyPro

Thank you very much for sending and sharing, GypsyDad. Is there anyway you could tell me more details about your friends beautiful new truck? Is it the XLT? Did he order the Max Trailer Tow Package? 4WD or 2WD? Moonroof? Is the bed 5' 1/2" or 6' 1/2"? Thank you again, GypsyDad.

He is traveling and no access. Perhaps later. Here is an interesting article comparing the Hybrid and Lightening...

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/2022-fo...rboost-hybrid/

[uncle_bob]

Hi

The "best payload" F-150 ( or F-250) is going to be:

XL trim
Tow package
Small cab
Short bed
2 WD
Small gas engine.
If there's a camper option, you want to add that
No other add on options, just the basics.
Low ratio rear end

It's payload and tow capacity will be right up there (or better than) many folk's F250/2500's.

Can you find this on a lot? If you do, it's going to be in white and probably is sitting there for a corporate customer to buy. If I'm going to be towing a lot, that's not a truck I'd want to be driving ....

Have I owned pretty much that exact truck? Sure have. I've bought several of them from Ford and Chevy over the years. They did fine for what I needed them to do. That did not include 8+ hours a day on the road week after week .... Got very good money for them when it was time to trade in.

Bob

[johnsurfsSC]

I didn't completely answer your questions. I got a 4X4 Bighorn, 4.1 Axle Ratio, 20" Wheels, 6.4L Hemi, 6'4" bed, 2998 Payload and Level B equipment group for all the creature comforts. Very happy with the truck.

[1StreamDream]

I’ve had both (first a 150 and now a 250) pulling the same 25’ flying cloud and I would never go back to a 150. Independent of payload, the airstream will “push” the 150 around more than I am comfortable with. Payload is also an important factor, but stability at highway speed is superior with a heavier truck. Yes, the 150 is noticeably more comfortable but I gave up some comfort to gain stability (and payload). As previously mentioned, only you can decide where the.compromise works for your circumstance.

[Gibson3798]

Originally Posted by 1StreamDream

I’ve had both (first a 150 and now a 250) pulling the same 25’ flying cloud and I would never go back to a 150. Independent of payload, the airstream will “push” the 150 around more than I am comfortable with. Payload is also an important factor, but stability at highway speed is superior with a heavier truck. Yes, the 150 is noticeably more comfortable but I gave up some comfort to gain stability (and payload). As previously mentioned, only you can decide where the.compromise works for your circumstance.

As a former 1/2 ton Tundra owner who towed a 25ft. AS, I say this.

If you like getting pushed downhill around sharp curves, and 7 mi. to the gallon on trips where you're gaining elevation, you'll love the 1/2 t Tundra. It's a great daily driver but not up to the task, if safety is a concern, in mountainous terrain, whether that's the Rockies or Appalachians.