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Old 10-16-2017, 07:46 PM   #41
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An update. Been going back and forth with the dealer who keeps telling me they've specked a loaded (and I mean loaded) F150 with a cargo capacity of 2350.

I didn't believe it, so I picked up the paperwork they prepared:

1) They didn't add any of the add ons to the base weight of the vehicle before calculating cargo capacity.

2) They simply ignored two footnotes that said that the Max Payload Package was required.

So, the numbers they are giving me are rubbish.

I don't sell trucks for a living, but I can do the the math pretty simple. It's amazing to me that in two days of research I apparently already know more about this product than the dealer does.

Ugh.

At present, it seems as if they cannot speck the truck I want... unless they order the whole thing and then add the Max Payload Package as a dealer installed option. Is that even possible?
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Old 10-16-2017, 07:59 PM   #42
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Ok, so it's settled, the absolute minimum TV for a 23' trailer would be an F-450 dually / crew cab / long bed / diesel / 4x4. You could go bigger if you wish .... You are absolutely going to *love* the gas mileage

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Old 10-16-2017, 08:58 PM   #43
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It’s possible to under think something, and it’s possible to overthink something.

I already owned all three of the tow vehicles I have used to tow my our Airstream even before I bought the trailer. They have all worked well, and two of them I routinely load lots of tools in when I tow.

No matter what people say, towing with WD is not the same as raw payload. It just isn’t.
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Old 10-17-2017, 08:26 AM   #44
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Couple questions I have and have not seen in this thread that I am curious on. What type of MPG are people getting? Understand size and weight of both TV (what you are using)and trailer (year and size of trailer you are towing) will play into this question. Is TV gas or diesel? Single or dually? 4 x4 or two wheel drive? How many doors, long bed or short bed. Also whether one typical is towing on the flat or up and down hills/mountains? The other is your transmissions. I will presume most newer TV's are set up w/a system/program for towing/not towing? Yes/no? I am curious as what other peoples TV,s have and what they return? Nothing more, just interested.

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Old 10-17-2017, 08:34 AM   #45
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Couple questions I have and have not seen in this thread that I am curious on. What type of MPG are people getting? Understand size and weight of both TV (what you are using)and trailer (year and size of trailer you are towing) will play into this question. Is TV gas or diesel? Single or dually? 4 x4 or two wheel drive? How many doors, long bed or short bed. Also whether one typical is towing on the flat or up and down hills/mountains? The other is your transmissions. I will presume most newer TV's are set up w/a system/program for towing/not towing? Yes/no? I am curious as what other peoples TV,s have and what they return? Nothing more, just interested.

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Hi

A big heavy truck will get worse gas mileage than a lighter vehicle when you are just tooling around town. You can get many 150 / 1500 trucks that will do better than 20 MPG in normal driving. An F-250 gasser is doing well at 13 or 14 MPG in the same conditions.

Towing a big trailer (30'+ AS), the weight of the trailer and the terrain are going to dictate what happens. Going up and down hills all day, 10 MPG is doing well. Diesel will help this a bit. If you live in PA, the tax man makes sure you don't save any money that way (diesel is significantly more expensive than gas).

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Old 10-17-2017, 10:21 AM   #46
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My 04 6.0 gets about 15 in daily commute, 18 to 20 on the highway, and 8.5 to 10.5 towing, depending on my speed and wind. 6800 GVWR.
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My 04 6.0 gets about 15 in daily commute, 18 to 20 on the highway, and 8.5 to 10.5 towing, depending on my speed and wind. 6800 GVWR.


(I pretty much do the speed limit unless easing up and down hills. )
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Old 10-17-2017, 09:42 PM   #48
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I just turned 17K miles on my 17' F250, 6.7D, SuperCrew, 6.5 bed, 4X4, King Ranch...(whew!) I am now averaging 13.5mpg when towing at 60-68MPH overall. I am getting 15-17mpg when not towing. I did get up to 18 when I kept it under 75 on a recent trip not towing, but 16 is about typical which is up from 15 few months back. I am told it will get up to 20mpg once it's broke in...
I could be dead by then, but I am an optimist anyway!

The new F250 is great to drive, nice ride, and pulls like a dream. Oil changes with fluid top off, tire rotation here in TX are $120. Cost me $180 in MT this summer for first change, then $300 for the second one with fuel filter...pretty steep compared to my F150 EB. I still like this truck for my needs with the 28' FC, my payload including kayaks, and generator.
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Old 10-18-2017, 12:45 AM   #49
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Thing is, Ford's are highly configurable, so I'm a bit dizzy with the options. I think I'm looking at a Lariat, with the 3.5L eco boost (should I get high-output?)... and with the extra payload package. Crewmax with the 6.5' bed (a little long?) I believe that will give me about 2300 pounds of payload, which is a lot more than my Tundra.

I got a 2017 Lariat HDPP ecoboost 4x4. Reading into the above, payload is important to you. It was for me as I need to have a chunk of stuff in the bed while towing. Be absolutely sure, assuming you go with a 150, that you get the Heavy Duty Payload package (HDPP or 7850# GVWR). They are hard if not impossible to find on a lot, you may have to order to build. You can tell in part (since payload is never listed) when searching that it has 18" tires and the 6.5' bed. Sales people usually wont be familiar with it. My build ended up with 2284# payload (higher than some 250 diesels I've seen). Best I've seen (for a 2016 Lariat 4x4) was 2364#. Options above base I got are the dual moonroof, bucket heated/cooled seats w/console (I think not available in US with Lariat/HDPP), tow mirrors, running boards and spray liner.



Tows like a dream. Up and down and around the west coast, I've only hit a couple short downhill grades where I think the v8 or a diesel would have been nice for the better engine breaking.


If you want more options and the payload, you'll have to go with a 250 gasser or a 350.
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BTW, total mileage just under 8K with 13MPG. Typically see 11-12MPG towing. If I drive mild, I can see 20MPG on the freeway.
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Couple questions I have and have not seen in this thread that I am curious on. What type of MPG are people getting? Understand size and weight of both TV (what you are using)and trailer (year and size of trailer you are towing) will play into this question. Is TV gas or diesel? Single or dually? 4 x4 or two wheel drive? How many doors, long bed or short bed. Also whether one typical is towing on the flat or up and down hills/mountains? The other is your transmissions. I will presume most newer TV's are set up w/a system/program for towing/not towing? Yes/no? I am curious as what other peoples TV,s have and what they return? Nothing more, just interested.

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2000 mile trip Boston to Chicago W/ 6200LB trailer
12.9 MPG as indicated, over 500 miles between fuel stops
As daily driver 150 mile highway commute round trip, I can maintain 20-21 MPG if I TRY to behave and over 21 if I actually do.
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btw, total mileage just under 8k with 13mpg. Typically see 11-12mpg towing. If i drive mild, i can see 20mpg on the freeway.
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As daily driver 150 mile highway commute round trip, I can maintain 20-21 MPG if I TRY to behave and over 21 if I actually do.
Hello Randy,

Out of current replies to my questions it appears your TV and Trailer is close to what we have. We have a 2016 RAM 3500 HD w/6.7 Cummins. Single tires @ the rear, 4 door long bed, 4x4, and hard shell canopy. Currently 13k on the truck. (Please note I was a Ford guy for 40 years). We just returned from a 1k trip down the Oregon coast, up and downs and flat travel. Travel weight truck 8,800, travel weight trailer 8,500. Going down we averaged 15.7 MPG. Coming back 14.7 MPG. Towing we have gotten as little as 11 MPG, as high as 16 MPG. Not towing between 18 and 22 plus MPG. This is my first diesel, always had big blocks. For me I would never go back to a gas engine after driving and towing w/diesel power plant. Thank you for the input, greatly appreciated.
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I have a Ford F150 Ecoboost 3.5L, King Ranch which I bought used with 5,000 miles on it. I currently tow a 25ft 2003 Classic Airstream but i am going to upgrade to 28 ft, and the truck will handle it easily. It will tow 12,200 lbs.
I just had the integrated brake controller short out and Ford replaced it under warranty in Albuquerque where we were attending the balloon fiesta. I have every option available on the truck as the truck was a demo by one of the owners of the dealership and he put everything on it possible. The rear tail gate with the step assist in it is a must. I wanted the gear shift in the center (not on the "tree") as I downshift a lot and let the engine slow me down rather than brakes. I have the super crew cab (4 doors) and love it. The new ones have the back-up assist for trailers which I hear is wonderful. I put a Retrax sliding cover over the 5.5 ft bed. I can barely fit the 5.5 ft bed truck in my garage so the 6.5 ft might not fit in yours. In Arizona I have to back the truck in to make it fit in the garage. 4x4 is a must. No other issues with the truck. Love it.
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I get 22-23 mpg with the Ford Ecoboost when i am not towing which is 75% of the time.
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Hello Randy,

Out of current replies to my questions it appears your TV and Trailer is close to what we have. We have a 2016 RAM 3500 HD w/6.7 Cummins. Single tires @ the rear, 4 door long bed, 4x4, and hard shell canopy. Currently 13k on the truck. (Please note I was a Ford guy for 40 years). We just returned from a 1k trip down the Oregon coast, up and downs and flat travel. Travel weight truck 8,800, travel weight trailer 8,500. Going down we averaged 15.7 MPG. Coming back 14.7 MPG. Towing we have gotten as little as 11 MPG, as high as 16 MPG. Not towing between 18 and 22 plus MPG. This is my first diesel, always had big blocks. For me I would never go back to a gas engine after driving and towing w/diesel power plant. Thank you for the input, greatly appreciated.
My pleasure. You've got good numbers there, I hope mine get to more in that vicinity, currently only at 4500 miles, first oil change required during trip. We run with a tonneau cover this time around, had a cab level Leer on the last one, wife decided tired of that look so... "yes dear"

I changed out the 1500 after a bad experience on a hill and with the hope of spending more time out west on bigger hills, I haven't regretted the choice or the extra money involved after the first tow with it, I to wouldn't dream of going back.
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My pleasure. You've got good numbers there, I hope mine get to more in that vicinity, currently only at 4500 miles, first oil change required during trip. We run with a tonneau cover this time around, had a cab level Leer on the last one, wife decided tired of that look so... "yes dear"

I changed out the 1500 after a bad experience on a hill and with the hope of spending more time out west on bigger hills, I haven't regretted the choice or the extra money involved after the first tow with it, I to wouldn't dream of going back.
Cummins has no break in period other than 1st 500 miles vary the speeds and no use of cruise control. Cummins say it takes 10k to "polish" inner workings. We noticed at around 8500 MPG started to increase along w/more grunt. I am thinking more miles will improve both your MPG and grunt. Reading #48 gypsydad post I would think MPG w/17k would be better. I do know that if I really put my foot into my RAM, MPG will go down. Rarely I have to put my foot into it. Most often only to pass.
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I have a Ford F150 Ecoboost 3.5L, King Ranch which I bought used with 5,000 miles on it. I currently tow a 25ft 2003 Classic Airstream but i am going to upgrade to 28 ft, and the truck will handle it easily. It will tow 12,200 lbs.
I just had the integrated brake controller short out and Ford replaced it under warranty in Albuquerque where we were attending the balloon fiesta. I have every option available on the truck as the truck was a demo by one of the owners of the dealership and he put everything on it possible. The rear tail gate with the step assist in it is a must. I wanted the gear shift in the center (not on the "tree") as I downshift a lot and let the engine slow me down rather than brakes. I have the super crew cab (4 doors) and love it. The new ones have the back-up assist for trailers which I hear is wonderful. I put a Retrax sliding cover over the 5.5 ft bed. I can barely fit the 5.5 ft bed truck in my garage so the 6.5 ft might not fit in yours. In Arizona I have to back the truck in to make it fit in the garage. 4x4 is a must. No other issues with the truck. Love it.

Curious to know what your payload is with all those bells & whistles? FYI I also pull a 28' and you will have a tongue weight of approximately 1000lbs.
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Okay... so is there anyone out there that can explain the mysterious relationship between...

...Net Payload
...Accessory Reserve Capacity (ARC)
...and "Computer Selected Springs"

...on the F150 product line? Cuz the Ford dealer can't!


If they can build the truck I want, I think I'm gonna live in it and use the Airstream as a vacation home.
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