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Old 04-03-2021, 11:35 AM   #121
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Is this calculator deducting the full tongue weight of the loaded trailer from payload? For a 25 it should be at the very least 900lbs. If itís not accounting for this this itís wrong. Iíve e never seen a Platinum F150 north of 1500 lbs payload capacity. Even at 1500 lbs payload add up the Ďs you describe and itís over by a good margin
You are right..very rare or impossible maybe, to find a Platinum, Limited, or KR F150 with over 1500lb payload! (but, maybe they have improved this?)
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Old 04-04-2021, 06:51 AM   #122
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You are right..very rare or impossible maybe, to find a Platinum, Limited, or KR F150 with over 1500lb payload! (but, maybe they have improved this?)
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Based on:

https://media.ford.com/content/dam/f...Tech_Specs.pdf

They should have them out there. Rated for 1500 pounds *plus* five 150 pound passengers .... not so much in the fancy trim.

I have a hard time understanding a "F-150" with a > 3,000 pound payload .... They don't do that with the fancy trim though.

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Old 04-05-2021, 08:45 AM   #123
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Thank you, that was very helpful.
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Old 04-06-2021, 08:31 AM   #124
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Questions about the Ford charts

I have never seen an F150 on a dealers lot with anything close to 2,000 lbs payload or tow mirrors HDPP. IF I were to order an F150 with HDPP, tow mirrors, high axle ratio, I would ask the dealer to put the payload in writing and if it is over 100 lbs low on the payload, provide you a refund of your deposit.

Checked the F150 at the bottom of this chart and have an observation, question.
The truck is rated to tow 13,000 lbs, GCVW rating is about 18,000 lbs. IF I were to tow a 13,000 lb trailer how much payload would I have - ZERO! This example in their chart is probably a 7,000 lb GVWR truck. Where is my confidence that these charts are helpful accurate?

We order an F250 Lariat, with few options, two wheel drive gas engine in Ď19. From the Ford literature, it is a 10,000 lb GVWR truck with a 12,000+ tow rating. I assumed the GCVWR would be the total of these two numbers = 22,000 lbs. HOWEVER, the GCVWR is 19,500. Our payload is over 3,500 lbs so we are happy with our ASís, but question the accuracy/utility that these Ford guidance tables provide. I sent inquiries to Ford Forum, TFL Truck and dealer and no one has provided an answer to this disparity.

I knew everyone that posted a response would enjoy reading this note, since we all get email reminders when someone adds to the thread! You are welcome!
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Old 04-06-2021, 11:03 AM   #125
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since we all get email reminders when someone adds to the thread!
Not if you go into quick links and delete the thread subscription.
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Old 04-06-2021, 04:42 PM   #126
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I was just reading this thread and staying quiet unless I had something to say. Well, now I do...
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I really wish some folks would have the opportunity to tow the same trailer with the 1/2 ton vs 3/4 and see for themselves the difference...
Okay, I'll go you one better, and I'll start with the background: Before our AS, I had a 2000 Arctic Fox 26J. No slide, it weighed 7000# on the wheels, ready to roll out for either a week or a weekend. We had that trailer for something like 14 years. My wife and I have camped together for 45+ years, and we're used to 'packing for camping'.

Comparing the way the Fox towed to the AS, they both towed very similar since the Fox was also lower to the ground; and even though it was a 'white brick', it did have some aerodynamics to it.

Nowhere I go is flat, or without challenges from the wind, period. I have long grades down into 'town', and long grades everywhere I want to go, whether East or West. And I live in the Columbia Gorge, so wind is a constant companion.

When we got the Fox, I had a '98 Dodge 1500 Club Cab 4x4 with the 360 in it. This represents very well the 'previous generation' half-ton trucks. I could count on a good solid 6 MPG towing (the 360 was known for being a gas hog), and I let the truck slow down when climbing hills. There are multiple lanes, people can pass... Braking performance was pretty good, because I believe in keeping a balance so that the truck brakes slow the truck, and the trailer brakes slow the trailer and help the truck just... a... little. Acceleration performance was as good as any semi, although I never engaged in any drag races. It was also my daily driver, so it had enough, um, "agility", in a parking lot.

I got a super deal on a trade for a 2000 Dodge 3500 Club Cab stick-shift dually 4-by with a long box. Doubled my fuel mileage, but as a daily driver, I had to pick my parking places very carefully, and it had a turning radius perhaps a bit shorter than the USS Saratoga. That Cummins had more than enough grunt to tow the trailer, but the step-in was even higher than the 1500. Braking performance was slightly worse, as we now had about a ton and a quarter more iron to get stopped. One note: Never a problem with brake fade on either of the Dodges, or the current truck. One noticeable difference is that big dually, with all its extra road weight, shrugged off any side winds. The 1500 wasn't nearly as well planted.

My wife messed up her knee, and we had to trade the big-honking-dually for a 2004 Nissan Titan. Now, this represents the present generation of pickup trucks. Going from the 1-ton to the new-gen half ton, I suddenly realized "handling" and "pickup" could exist in the same sentence. This was also my daily driver for many years, until gas got so expensive. But it's easy to drive and park (and easy to get into!), it towed that same trailer nicely, and stopping distances were markedly shorter, proven by an unexpected panic stop. The Titan handled the Fox just great, and it handles the AS just fine also. I don't notice side winds as much with the Titan than I did with the old 1500. I'm never one to scream up hills, I just let the truck work at a good rate, and I get there. But I noticed that I do have quite a bit more power available than with the old 1500. And I'm well within my towing and weight ratings for the truck, with a shade under 20% reserve.

This is just some comparison data to say that you CAN be just fine, towing with a half ton. Just watch your weight numbers.
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Old 04-06-2021, 05:47 PM   #127
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FWIW...............
I see lots of folks throwing a "Just get a 3/4 ton it will be enough" out there. Take a look.

The first load sticker I posted is off my daily driver work truck. A 2015 or 16, I'm not positive, Chevy 3/4 ton, Duramax. I think it's rather surprising:

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Just to throw in a little humor to this thread
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Old 04-06-2021, 07:11 PM   #129
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Old 04-06-2021, 07:23 PM   #130
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For those who want a Ford, the final word in what kind of truck is required:

https://fordfleetlive.com/#/TowingCalculator

Also a place to type in your VIN and see the actual numbers for that vehicle... given that most online dealers listings have a VIN this should be helpful too
https://fordfleetlive.com/#/VinCalculator


All other truck manufacturers need to step up this level. Kudos to Ford here.
Oh I wish.
We are replacing our 2014 Tundra with a new Tundra. At the dealer I asked our salesperson what the payload was. He gives me a figure I know is too high. He says he got it from the App.

Sales manager confirms that is the payload for the vehicle we are buying. (it's en route and coming to them this week.)

In their lot while looking over the current Tundra, I show them the DOOR STICKER and how it lists the specific payload for that VIN as it left the factory.

Mind Blown by both of them.
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Old 04-07-2021, 01:21 AM   #131
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I have never seen an F150 on a dealers lot with anything close to 2,000 lbs payload or tow mirrors HDPP. IF I were to order an F150 with HDPP, tow mirrors, high axle ratio, I would ask the dealer to put the payload in writing and if it is over 100 lbs low on the payload, provide you a refund of your deposit.
I had a 2016 F150, crew cab 4x4 with 5ft bed, with the 5.0 V8, it was only 86 lbs short of 2,000 lbs payload (no HD suspension pkg of any kind). I upgraded to an F250 to improve my payload and towing stability, if that tells you anything, but you can get very close to 2,000lb payload in an F150 if thats your only objective. Personally the 1/2 ton (any brand) is nowhere near enough payload or stability for me to feel good about towing my 25' FC.
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Just a thought for you guys that are so so focused on payload and door stickers. Would you see any difference in hauling 1500 pounds of upright refrigerators in your pickup, all pushed up against the tailgate, or 1700 pounds tongue weight trailer hooked up with a properly set up weight distribution hitch? Payload payload payload, door sticker! I’m not an engineer, but I’m thinking they may handle differently in the most feared “emergency situation!” Remember, it’s all fine, until it’s not.. I guess as long as you are legal, and can’t be found guilty in a lawsuit, you’re good?
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Old 04-07-2021, 07:26 AM   #133
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Just a thought for you guys that are so so focused on payload and door stickers. Would you see any difference in hauling 1500 pounds of upright refrigerators in your pickup, all pushed up against the tailgate, or 1700 pounds tongue weight trailer hooked up with a properly set up weight distribution hitch? Payload payload payload, door sticker! Iím not an engineer, but Iím thinking they may handle differently in the most feared ďemergency situation!Ē Remember, itís all fine, until itís not.. I guess as long as you are legal, and canít be found guilty in a lawsuit, youíre good?
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These numbers have very little to do with how the rig handles. They simply are describing how much weight you can haul without breaking ( or quickly wearing out ) anything. They are only one element in the whole "pick a TV" equation.

There are a lot of threads with comments from folks " the numbers all were ok but I didn't like the white knuckle driving ". Yes, you can upgrade this or that on a vehicle to address various issues. How far down that road you go is very much up to you. Targeting a TV that's "to big" ( like at < 80% of ratings) *is* a good idea.

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Old 04-07-2021, 07:32 AM   #134
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When I did my research on my f250 back in 2012 I found out to my dismay that most car salespeople know very little about trucks and their carrying capacity. I did eventually find a knowledgeable salesperson that did assist me. So my point is be leary of sales folks who predominantly sell cars and not trucks. Just my opinion
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Old 04-07-2021, 07:41 AM   #135
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I agree and I will take it a step further. Most salespeople who sell trucks know very little about trucks. They’re trained to sell luxury features and technology, not towing and hauling features. If you do a little bit of research before heading to a dealership, then you’ll probably know more about the vehicles than the salesperson.
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Old 04-07-2021, 09:14 AM   #136
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The key is doing your own research and then deciding.

Opinions are like bellybuttons. Everyone has one, and they are not much use...I also keep in mind that the only time a salesperson is lying is when their mouth is moving.

At least thatís my experience.
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Inside advice...look for a 'dealer' with a good amount of white on the lot...commercial sales improve product knowledge.

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Yup. When I bought my Sierra Denali truck a few years ago, the salesman was pushing hard for me to buy the Denali Ultimate Package. His rationale was that I would absolutely love the 22” polished wheels and the motorized, retractable running boards. I didn’t want either of those things. Then came the pitch about why I should sign up for OnStar. He kept telling me how great it would be to have a WiFi hotspot in my truck for all my devices. I don’t give two sh*ts about a WiFi hotspot in my truck. I’d rather talk about payload capacity, axle ratios, etc.
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I remember as a younger lad what sold me on the Tundra not sure if you guys remember it ? The Tundra pulled the Space Shuttle , yup thatís what sold me LOL . Then I started towing my first behemoth camper with it and got tired of planning my route based on gas stations ! Great marketing stunt for Toyota .Click image for larger version

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