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Old 10-14-2017, 01:16 PM   #1
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Best truck

We just ordered our new 23 foot international signature. While we wait to take delivery in December we’re looking for something to pull our new airstream. We are favoring Ford andToyota. Before we start the dealership rumble in the jungle does anyone have insights beyond the manufacturers sales brochures and d alerships sales b.s.?
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Old 10-14-2017, 02:14 PM   #4
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Buy a Ford.

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Old 10-14-2017, 02:40 PM   #5
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Buy a Ford.

Where's my popcorn?
hahaha!!

FWIW...we are getting a 23 also, and we bought a Ford F150 with tow package. Plenty of leeway with weight and payload capacity. Bought the Ford, and not Chevy or Ram, just because we happened to like the interior appointments on the Ford.
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Old 10-14-2017, 02:52 PM   #7
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I'm not going to chime in on what truck is the best, because in IMHO a truck is not the best tow vehicle for a 23' Airstream. There are a host of cars, vans and SUV's that could provide you with a far better daily vehicle ride, be a gentler and more stabile tow vehicle for your Airstream than any truck can.

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Old 10-14-2017, 03:38 PM   #8
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Thurm, what you are hearing from some of the previous posts is that the question you asked gets asked by someone at least once a month and usually ends up completely off topic and becomes a thread more about opinions than safety.
My suggestion is to poke around on the site for awhile, read what you can until you are thoroughly confused and then ask your best friend, mechanic, priest, rabbi or anyone who has ever owned any trailer of any kind ever and see what answers they say.
To make it easy, there is no “best” and probably no “worst”, well, maybe somewhere in the middle. If properly set up I bet a Mini Cooper could work or you could go with any big 3-4 trucks up to and including the 450/series.
Please read the previous threads on trucks. There is lots, tons, millions of posts on this subject.
Oh, and welcome to the forum and congratulations on your new Airstream. Read everything you can on tires, brakes,hitches, trucks, cars, there is much to learn.
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Old 10-14-2017, 03:53 PM   #9
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Congratulations on placing an order for a new AS. Just like there is no "best" AS (just one that appeals to the needs and wants of it's owner) there really is no "best" tow vehicle. I've looked at GM, Ford and RAM and chose a RAM. But any of those trucks would have done a fine job.

A completely new redesigned RAM will be shown at the Detroit Auto Show in January and GM has a redesigned pickup in the pipeline to be released as a 2019 model. But if I were buying today I would give serious consideration to the F-150.

BTW, welcome to the forum! It's good to have you with us!
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Take a look at the amount of gear you would pack for your trip and style. How much does it weigh and space required.

I tend to be a bit of a old school camping gear type, cast iron and camp cooking. Makes my rig a bit heavier, that Mini Cooper idea wouldn't cut it for my trips.

The truck has to deal with trailer tongue weight and your gear.

One of the best things I added was a cap, jerks gear more secure and out of sight a bit.
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I'm not going to chime in on what truck is the best, because in IMHO a truck is not the best tow vehicle for a 23' Airstream. There are a host of cars, vans and SUV's that could provide you with a far better daily vehicle ride, be a gentler and more stabile tow vehicle for your Airstream than any truck can.

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Agreed.

Cars easily trump pickups for tow duty. Can tow most all of these trailers. Details of each vehicle type, brand and model count. (Design).

A pickup -- by design -- is the least stable vehicle on the road. Towing worsens that.

The "best" TV is one that best suits solo duties. Does not sacrifice inherent stability (which is safety), but can also tow an AS.

Someone without need of a pickup solo (IRS miles) does better with something else.

And, since nearly no one around here seems to read in the archives, OP, you can start with the ancient thread: Airstream / Intrepid.

Are there opinions around here? Sure. Educated and uneducated. They aren't equal.

Take your time.

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I will start a list of camping items one might prefer to carry in a truck bed as opposed to the rear cargo area of a "car".

Firewood
BBQ pit
Generator(Heaven forbid)
Gasoline
Bulky chairs(I bring plastic adirondak chairs)
Motorcycles/ Scooters/ Bicycles
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I will start a list of camping items one might prefer to carry in a truck bed as opposed to the rear cargo area of a "car".

Firewood
BBQ pit
Generator(Heaven forbid)
Gasoline
Bulky chairs(I bring plastic adirondak chairs)
Motorcycles/ Scooters/ Bicycles
Very good point, BUT is it worth the money to carrying around an empty bed for 9/10th of the year, to carry all you've stated for 1/10th of camping. The OP will have to decide that of course.

BBQ can be carried inside trailer
Firewood can be carried to site in a big carry all bag (This summer we used my wife's 1995 Jaguar XJS convertible for firewood duty.
Generator can be carried inside vehicle, as no one is crazy enough to have a gasoline generator and carry extra gas, when your main trailers fuel is propane and you can do propane conversions.
Bulky chairs....it's camping for gosh sakes, a storage device on top of the van, car or SUV could take car of these, as well as the generator and BBQ.
Bicycles on a rack behind the car or van/SUV; or in the old days, on the front.

Where there is a will, there is a way.......another saying is....if it doesn't fit, it shouldn't come.

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So, I’m a bit biased, since I’ve owned 4 f150’s since 2009 as well a few cars, including BMW.

You will hear some folks express concerns about the stability of pick up trucks, and I think there is some merit to that, when one’s opinion is formed by vehicles of the distant or even somewhat more recent past.

My experience is with the f150, but I’d imagine the same is true with other major brands. The improvements in suspension, tires, weight, braking ability, power, towing capacity, carrying capacity and most importantly electronics makes the difference quite amazing, even between the 4 I’ve owned.

Would my BMW 335 with a sports package on it outhandle my 2017 F150 in the twisties on dry smooth pavement, absolutely.

My tow vehicle is 2wd, locking electronic differential, towing package, boosted 6 cylinder with no sunroof. It has all the electronic gizmos. I tow a 27fb. It works great.

You’ve got a ton of cool choices, including cars, suv’s and pick-up trucks. Take everyone’s advice with a grain of salt. We are all victims of our biases.
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Very good point, BUT is it worth the money to carrying around an empty bed for 9/10th of the year, to carry all you've stated for 1/10th of camping. The OP will have to decide that of course.


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I drive a lot, in the Detroit area where insurance is high (for good reason). That 6-1/2' bed is a crumple zone.
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The only possible answer is to buy a Ford. Nobody else on the entire planet makes or ever has made any vehicles worth owning

So now that we have the 100% accurate and factual taken care of ....

Sorry, but this is no different than asking "please tell me what truck you now own". Very few people hang on to trucks they don't like. None of that makes this or that truck the right one for you. It doesn't even mean that a truck is the right thing to tow your AS with. Vans, SUV's, and in sone cases .... cars .... may make better TV's for some people.

Best to back off a bit and look into a few things:

How many people and pets will you be "hauling" along with you when you go camping?

Do you have an inventory of "toys" that you plan to bring along? Kayaks? ATVs? Dirt bikes?

How about things like generators, surf fishing gear, telescopes, and "whole hog" smokers?

Do you plan to use the TV for things other than towing?

Do you have time to order a vehicle, do you always buy used, are you shopping dealer lots?

How much driving will you be doing above 10,000 feet?

How do you feel about diesel power?

How much off road driving will you be doing with your TV?

There are *lots* of variables that are very likely to make your TV a different beast than my TV. Without knowing how you will be using yours, it's really tough to have this be anything more than a "my truck can eat your truck for lunch any day of the week" debate.

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"Best truck"?
Always good for a fight.
May I suggest also:
Best hitch
Best tires
Best generator

This is probably the most biased forum on the internet.
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"Best truck"?
Always good for a fight.
May I suggest also:
Best hitch
Best tires
Best generator

This is probably the most biased forum on the internet.
And yet here we all are following it.😂
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Meh. To me, Ford means Fix Or Repair Daily and GM products run out of part support way too quick. I also had to swing wrenches on them a bit too often, IMHO.

Ill stick with Toyota products, thank you very much... My current 2012 Tacoma has stability augmentation, decent braking and power, and rides and drives very nicely. We plan to upgrade to a Tundra to get power adjustable seats, tow/haul mode and a bigger engine to handle the Western mountains better. Im getting old and impatient climbing grades at 55 or less. Ill also enjoy the reliability. As always, Ill stick with my opinions, since Im spending the $$, with DWs approval.

Ill break out the flame-resistant undies now, have at...
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I always love these threads where people say they love this or that brand and they have had 4 or 5 of them in the past x number of years.
If they are so great, why do you keep trading them in?
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