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Old 07-21-2021, 12:49 PM   #61
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That is definitely a good amount of trailer for the GX. Are you looking into the 200 series?


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There are more 4.7s on here than I thought. Here's mine.
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Did have a valve spring break recently while not towing. Chose to have it repaired with todays used car market. I just returned from a 5k mile trip out west! She is running as good as ever.


I bought our 2008 Tundra 5.7 new and I believe I only took it to the dealer for one warranty repair. Now having said that, I also did break a valve spring at 108,000 miles. Fortunately we were only 50 miles from home and it didnít happen on our trip out west that we had scheduled for later on in the month. We ended up replacing all 32 valve springs at a cost of about $3,500. Toyotaís arenít perfect but my number just happened to come up. We have had no problems since that repair. I still love my Tundra.

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The 4Runners with the 4.7L V8 have a ticking time bomb too. The exhaust headers and I think the catalytic converter have to be replaced at around 130K miles or so. My son has a 2006 model and noticed the tic, tic, tic when when engine is cold indicating a cracked manifold. Even after the multi-thousand dollar repair it will just happen again. Repair is just a reset.

He was thinking about trading in but he loves the 4Runner. I told him to think about buying something new, making that big payment every month and missing what he loved. I intend to pay up, repair it and know that it won't happen for another 100k miles or so. I love my '04 4Runner

There is always some defect in every vehicle. None of them are immune to repairs. If you like it, fix it, love it longer. I got 29 years out of my 1991 Camry LE V6. I enjoyed every mile of her but you have to let go sometime.
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I will be extremely surprised if we don't have a 300 series by the end 2023, if only in the form of the LX. There just isn't enough reason not to. It will share so many parts with the new Tundra it won't take much to support it.
I hope so. Our 04 isnít getting a lot of miles, but it may eventually have to be replaced. Some day.
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We pulled our 23FB with the 4.7 never a problem. I did watch the gas gauge pretty closely.
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Glad to hear we are not alone with a 2nd gen. Tundra over 100,000 miles. When I was growing up cars lasted tens of thousands of miles and needed constant repairs. I have replaced one of four catalytic converters (front right) and all O2 sensors. The rear right converter seems to want to be replaced, but I ignore it since it doesn't do much. Those early oughts 4Runners were also bullet proof and I regretted we replaced our 2000 with another 4Runner then a FJ (a 4runner with a different body). The 2000 was the best of the bunch.
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Old 07-22-2021, 08:26 AM   #69
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Agree they don't make them like they use to. Toyota is still head over heads the rest of the industry in overall durability and reliability IMO, which is why many of us are here. They're engineering is conservative allowing for longer life and duty cycles.

Here's a testament to the durability of Toyota's of yore. The legendary Hilux. I don't think this video started out that way, and this youtubers style sure can be abrasive. But the respect and admiration earned by the Hilux even under these frankly ridiculous trials really blows him away. He's done this to so many vehicles from different manufacturers that it's night and day.

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Glad to hear we are not alone with a 2nd gen. Tundra over 100,000 miles. When I was growing up cars lasted tens of thousands of miles and needed constant repairs. I have replaced one of four catalytic converters (front right) and all O2 sensors. The rear right converter seems to want to be replaced, but I ignore it since it doesn't do much. Those early oughts 4Runners were also bullet proof and I regretted we replaced our 2000 with another 4Runner then a FJ (a 4runner with a different body). The 2000 was the best of the bunch.
My first Toyota was an '89 pickup, back before they had a name. I sold it to my nephew in 2003 when it had 195,000 miles. I had replace the original clutch at 193,000. The A/C never was serviced, still ice cold. The 3.0L engine pulled my 17' Ranger bass boat to Tennessee, Alabama, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana and northern Minnesota. People would gather at some of the boat ramps thinking I wouldn't be able to pull my boat out, but she never failed me. I had to have my heavy brother in the bed on a few of the ramps and I had to ride the clutch, but she always made it to the top. My nephew sold it to a friend and I'm guessing it's still out there somewhere.

I've bought 4 more Toyotas since then, still have 3, including a '99 Sienna. I started working for Toyota Manufacturing 5 years after I bought the '91 Camry and worked for them for 17 years. There is definitely a philosophy of quality for all things, not just manufacturing vehicles.
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I had a 4Runner... a 2015 Trail. I really liked it.

But then I planned to buy an Airstream... and not a Basecamp, or even a 16' Bambi. So, I traded it in on a Sierra (I'd had a Sierra before the 4Runner). Then once we did get an Airstream, got a 20FC.

Yeah, the T4R could probably have managed it. But we'd be at the top of its tow-range, which I prefer to have a margin of safety when towing. My truck can tow twice what my 20FC weighs.

The T4R, the LC, I like those vehicles, they just don't have the towing capacity I'd be comfortable w/. The Tundra.... well.... it's okay, but I like my Sierra a lot better than the Tundras I've been in. Not that the Tundra is 'bad', it's decent as far as capabilities, but, not better. And I'm not as fond of its styling, no where near as much...

If there was a Tundra HD version, that then was redesigned in the looks department, maybe.

I do like their reliability, but... vehicles end up having some personality, passion, etc., not just numbers... I just haven't warmed up to the Tundra, or the Tacoma.... ah well....
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FWIIW When I hit a long climb, I'll put the truck into manual trans. mode and let it drop one gear than I'll manage gears until it levels out.

Smarter commentors may chime in wrt the torque convert lockout involvement.
Do that on the way down also, acts as an engine brake. Just watch your RPM.
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Just read about Toyota lobbying to slow electric vehicle adoption because they invested in hydrogen and are far behind the advances in electric. Climate change is not urgent to Toyota. We've owned a lot of Toyotas. Yes, some are dull, but I don't want to fix vehicles anymore and they are not a style statement to me as much as a way to getting around reliably. But reliability isn't what it used to be either and aggressive grills don't do anything positive to me.

Our Tundra feels pretty invincible and if I were to buy a new(er) truck to tow our trailer, I'd probably buy another Tundra. A few yers ago it would not be probably, but certainly. But the prices are outrageous and our ancient Tundra keeps going. For years we assumed a new or new vehicle would be another Toyota, but when we replaced our FJ Cruiser, we found a very well cared for used Subaru at a much better price than a comparable used Rav4 with fewer options. Subaru reliability has been comparable to Toyotas for quite a while. I would really rather count on Toyotas, but between their irresponsibility about climate change and emphasis on style rather than reliability, we decided to look elsewhere. Companies change—I have been a fan of Apple products for decades—they were easy to use and reliable. Neither is true anymore.
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The 4Runners with the 4.7L V8 have a ticking time bomb too. The exhaust headers and I think the catalytic converter have to be replaced at around 130K miles or so. My son has a 2006 model and noticed the tic, tic, tic when when engine is cold indicating a cracked manifold. Even after the multi-thousand dollar repair it will just happen again. Repair is just a reset.

I experienced the cracked header issue on my 2000 LC at around 50K miles. $1,500 quote to replace at a Denver Toyota dealer. Slee Offroad in Golden replaced at a cost of $800. Slee told me they were very familiar with the issue and that Toyota re-designed the headers in 2004. He replaced mine with the updated design, and at almost 100K miles, no repeat of the problem.

I was very disappointed in Toyota for designing a faulty header and not declaring a repair campaign to fix it. They knew they had a problem and did nothing about it for their existing customers. No TSB or recall.
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I think that was the engine with a faulty oil pressure sending unit in many of them—I had the unit go out in northern Newfoundland in a two year old Sequoia in the early 2000's. No one wants to notice the oil pressure is zero, but I figured I had driven far enough so it wasn't the pump. There was a TSB on it, but not a recall. Since I had it replaced in Canada, Toyota USA refused to pay for it, but Toyota Canada did. Though Toyotas have given me very little trouble, sometimes Toyota is not very good about TSB's, recalls and even warranty claims.
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I experienced the cracked header issue on my 2000 LC at around 50K miles. $1,500 quote to replace at a Denver Toyota dealer. Slee Offroad in Golden replaced at a cost of $800. Slee told me they were very familiar with the issue and that Toyota re-designed the headers in 2004. He replaced mine with the updated design, and at almost 100K miles, no repeat of the problem.

I was very disappointed in Toyota for designing a faulty header and not declaring a repair campaign to fix it. They knew they had a problem and did nothing about it for their existing customers. No TSB or recall.
I don't know if it applies to the LC but the big problem with the 4Runner is the catalytic converter may need to be replaced at the same time. It's integral to the tubular exhaust system. A single OEM header is $2K, just the part. There are Doug Thorley headers that are supposed to be better, cheaper, 304 SS and lifetime warranty. They are no longer available on Amazon. Even after the repair the clock is just reset and the problem will eventually return

To meet emission standards Toyota put the converter as close to the header as possible, for cold engine emission.
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I have heard of very few late generation 4.7 having the header problem. It looks like the motors with vvti used a different header part#. I have not found a vvti with a cracked header in the first gen tundra world. The older non vvti motors ('00-'04) do occasionally crack but it seems to be few and far between on the trucks.
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