Free 7 Day Trial RV GPS App RV Trip Planner Campground Reviews RV Maintenance Free 7 Day Trial ×
 


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 07-14-2018, 07:23 AM   #81
Rivet Master
 
overlander63's Avatar
 
1993 21' Sovereign
Colfax , North Carolina
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 21,253
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew T View Post
When going down steep hills 12% or more you will likely need first gear at 4000 rpm for engine braking. Turning the AC on helps as well. Often drivers start riding the brakes when the engine reaches 2500 or so. If you need the brakes to slow for a switchback that is fine but let the rpm go back up between them.


Andy
To add to this, depending on terrain, find a speed you will be comfortable going downhill at. For example, 55mph. When your downhill speed reaches around 60, firmly brake to around 50, then completely release the brakes. Allow the speed to build back to 60, then repeat. That will allow the brakes to cool between applications, and retain your braking capabilities through the entire downhill ride. It's not fun in the extreme to be halfway down a 10 mile long 8% hill, and find your brake pedal application has zero effect because your brakes have overheated.
__________________
Terry
overlander63 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2018, 07:46 AM   #82
Rivet Master
 
SteveNdebbie's Avatar
 
2006 25' Safari FB SE
Dalton , Ohio
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 632
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew T View Post
Just a couple of things. 50 PSI in the trailer tires is plenty. How old are they? There is a date stamp on the tires. If they are more than 6 years old I would suggest replacing them with Michelin P235/75R x 15 Defenders.

When going down steep hills 12% or more you will likely need first gear at 4000 rpm for engine braking. Turning the AC on helps as well. Often drivers start riding the brakes when the engine reaches 2500 or so. If you need the brakes to slow for a switchback that is fine but let the rpm go back up between them.

For fuel range when I head west I carry a 3 or 4 gallon Jerry can behind the LP tanks on top of the batteries that I almost never use. This allows me to use the entire fuel tank in the tow vehicle. So if my distance to empty read out says I have 60 miles left and there is a town in 50 I can go ahead and drive the extra 50 miles knowing Iíve got 50 miles more in reserve.

Andy


I will check the date stamp on the tires and also set back the pressure to 50 psi. The dealership we bought the Safari from had set them at 65 psi but you set them back and I couldnít remember to what pressure. It was the end of October when we bought the Safari and came to Can Am. After storing it for the winter the tire pressure was at 50 but increased it to 65. I believe it did tow better with less air in the tires. Do most people over inflate their tires? You had also increased the pressure in our MDX tires which did give us a better feel for the road.

I had let the rpmís run higher which did help. I am used to Honda engines having owned an Acura Integra GSR with a redline of 8000.

Spare gas container - great idea!

Thank you Andy
SteveNdebbie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2018, 08:02 AM   #83
Rivet Master
 
Caffeinated's Avatar
 
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Portland , Oregon
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 1,035
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew T View Post
Just a couple of things. 50 PSI in the trailer tires is plenty. How old are they? There is a date stamp on the tires. If they are more than 6 years old I would suggest replacing them with Michelin P235/75R x 15 Defenders.



Andy
This is one area where I pretty much agree with Andy.

I assume that the tires on your trailer are Goodyear Marathons. If that is true, please please read the multiple threads about Marathon tire failures here on the forum.

The Marathons came as OEM tires on my '15 AS, and when I started hearing about possible issue with them I started checking the pressure in the tires every travel day, bought a little Viair 12 volt compressor to easily maintanece the air pressure. At four years of age, one of the Marathon tires on on my trailer developed side wall cracks. When I saw that, I immediately replaced them with new tires. I always ran the Marathons at 65psi, cold.


Mike
__________________
2015 27ft FC FB
WBCCI #3960
2019 F150 ecoboost
Caffeinated is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2018, 04:35 PM   #84
Rivet Master
 
SteveNdebbie's Avatar
 
2006 25' Safari FB SE
Dalton , Ohio
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 632
Quote:
Originally Posted by Caffeinated View Post
This is one area where I pretty much agree with Andy.



I assume that the tires on your trailer are Goodyear Marathons. If that is true, please please read the multiple threads about Marathon tire failures here on the forum.



The Marathons came as OEM tires on my '15 AS, and when I started hearing about possible issue with them I started checking the pressure in the tires every travel day, bought a little Viair 12 volt compressor to easily maintanece the air pressure. At four years of age, one of the Marathon tires on on my trailer developed side wall cracks. When I saw that, I immediately replaced them with new tires. I always ran the Marathons at 65psi, cold.





Mike


Hi Mike, thanks for the info. My tires are Goodyear marathonís and they are stamped 1214 which I guess would be the 12th week of 2014? We actually have a service appointment next week at Jackson Center. They will probably inspect them. I was going to have them check the axles, bearings, brakes etc. I am not sure what all they do so is there anything else I should mention specifically?

Steve
SteveNdebbie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2018, 06:11 PM   #85
PKI
Rivet Master
 
PKI's Avatar
 
Currently Looking...
Walnut Creek , California
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 3,944
The 2014 mfg date makes them about four years old. There is a good possibility that 2014 production was a period when the mfg process was under reasonable control, but the new Endurance or Defender tires are considered to be quite a bit better. Taking the conservative approach of replacing them now may save you having to repair a wheel well at significant cost.

Time to research the tire threads and make a decision. There is a spin test that will identify failure, but it requires raising each tire and spinning it to look for structural failure.

Good luck with your investigation. Pat
PKI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2018, 07:27 PM   #86
Rivet Master
 
gator.bigfoot's Avatar
 
2007 30' Classic
KW , Ontario
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 860
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveNdebbie View Post
Hi Mike, thanks for the info. My tires are Goodyear marathonís and they are stamped 1214 which I guess would be the 12th week of 2014? We actually have a service appointment next week at Jackson Center. They will probably inspect them. I was going to have them check the axles, bearings, brakes etc. I am not sure what all they do so is there anything else I should mention specifically?

Steve
Do yourself a favour and get the Michelins. It's not worth the risk with the Marathon's.
gator.bigfoot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2018, 08:18 PM   #87
4 Rivet Member
 
AirstreamCSH's Avatar
 
2016 25' Flying Cloud
Huntington , New York
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 362
Images: 4
There are certainly two schools of thought and they diverge on what someone in the internet says is OK and what the vehicle rating says is OK. You pay your money and you make your choice.

One thing to keep in the back of your head is what will happen when your 25í outweighs your TV and the trailer connection fails. Could be that you didnít do the quick seat check before leaving or it simply had junk in the connector from when you dropped it the night before. Iíll tell you that with an F250 diesel, when my connector dropped out on a 2017 TV and 2016 TT, I felt the load on the brakes when I was just going downhill locally. If that had happened with a real hill out west, it would have been a problem. There is a reason engineers ďoverengineerĒ but when pulling a load that roughly matches my TV and the trailer brakes donít work due to a poor connector seat, having a combo where the TV is beefy gives me personal piece of mind. I have never regretted bypassing Harbor Freight for a quality built tool.
AirstreamCSH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2018, 08:32 PM   #88
Rivet Master
 
Caffeinated's Avatar
 
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Portland , Oregon
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 1,035
Yes, the 12th week of 2014 would be correct. Like I said, I was hoping to get 5 years out of my Marathons, but after I found cracks in the side wall of one of them, and cconsidering that Goodyear no longer makes the marathon and has replaced it with a higher E rated tire called the Endurance, I decided that roughly $400.00 was cheap insurance and bought the Endurance tires.

I can report that after using the new tires for about 1200 miles the trailer seems to tow better, ride a bit smoother, than with the marathons in spite of the higher psi in the endurance tire. Go figure.

People who have Michilins really like them, I hear good things about Nokians also, and I'm like ing the GYEs.

Mike
__________________
2015 27ft FC FB
WBCCI #3960
2019 F150 ecoboost
Caffeinated is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2018, 11:17 PM   #89
Rivet Master
 
SteveNdebbie's Avatar
 
2006 25' Safari FB SE
Dalton , Ohio
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 632
Looks like itís a good time to get some new tires. I really would not want a tire blowout going down a mountain. I will likely go with the Michelins. I wonder what the factory will say?
SteveNdebbie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2018, 11:02 AM   #90
2 Rivet Member
 
tojimmiller's Avatar
 
1996 30' Limited
1990 34.5' Airstream 345
santa rosa , California
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 80
It will tow it just fine. As long as you NEVER need to stop 🛑 it. The ? To ask is ! Can I stop 🛑 it
tojimmiller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2018, 11:31 AM   #91
.-. -...
 
Adventure.AS's Avatar
 
2017 25' International
Port Dover , ON Canada
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 1,830
Quote:
Originally Posted by tojimmiller View Post
It will tow it just fine. As long as you NEVER need to stop 🛑 it. The ? To ask is ! Can I stop 🛑 it
Thatís what trailer brakes are for.
__________________
Ray B.
Adventure.AS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2018, 11:51 AM   #92
3 Rivet Member
 
2016 30' Classic
Rocklin , California
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 162
Quote:
Originally Posted by brick1 View Post
Airstreams have been towed with bicycles. Doesnít mean it is smart...


I am amazed that people who insist that because they can pull a 30 foot Airstream with a small SUV that it is a good idea. I think they truly believe that if something breaks or goes wrong it will just be an inconvenience. Many of these folks just donít seem to realize that you are betting your life and the lives of your passengers. I wonder if I took a poll on the towing experience level of those who tow with 3/4 to one ton trucks verses medium SUV who had more time behind the wheel towing and under what conditions.
Sometimes it almost seems like they know in the back of their mind that they are making a poor choice but visit this site hoping someone will validate that poor choice so they can justify proceeding.
Gamehawkers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2018, 12:01 PM   #93
Dazed and Confused
 
Isuzusweet's Avatar
 
Currently Looking...
1983 31' Airstream310
Hillsburgh , Ontario
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 3,805
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gamehawkers View Post
I am amazed that people who insist that because they can pull a 30 foot Airstream with a small SUV that it is a good idea. I think they truly believe that if something breaks or goes wrong it will just be an inconvenience. Many of these folks just don’t seem to realize that you are betting your life and the lives of your passengers. I wonder if I took a poll on the towing experience level of those who tow with 3/4 to one ton trucks verses medium SUV who had more time behind the wheel towing and under what conditions.
Sometimes it almost seems like they know in the back of their mind that they are making a poor choice but visit this site hoping someone will validate that poor choice so they can justify proceeding.
I am amazed that people who insist that because they can pull a 30 foot Airstream with a pick up truck, that it's a good idea.

Pick up trucks usually have more curb weight, (adding to stopping distances), poor weight distribution (especially under braking), smaller brake rotors with single or twin piston non fixed callipers (compared to say a Porsche Cayennes drilled/slotted rotors with multi piston fixed callipers), higher center of gravity, non performance tires, a very primitive suspension and far less hp per tonne.

Why would you tow with a pick up?

Cheers
Sidekick Tony
__________________
Per Mare, Per Terram and may all your campaigns be successful.

ďItís a recession when your neighbor loses his job; itís a depression when you lose your own.Ē "Harry S Truman"
Isuzusweet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2018, 12:18 PM   #94
CLOUDSPLITTER "Tahawus"
 
ROBERT CROSS's Avatar

 
2003 25' Classic
Zanadude Nebula , Milky Way
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 18,154
Images: 1
Probably because thats what they want to tow with and thats what they have. 👍
How many do?
How many with the weeny wheels?

I'm happy with what we use.😘

ďIf your happy with what your usingÖitís adequate.
If other people are un-happyÖ.itís notĒ 😂
RLC

Bob
🇺🇸
__________________
Tahawus

Love for the Adirondacks

"It is more wiser to ponder all things with diligent suspicion, than follow with blind assumption."
RLC
ROBERT CROSS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2018, 12:35 PM   #95
2 Rivet Member
 
manchaca , Texas
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 50
Blog Entries: 1
The Acura manufacturer stated weight of that vehicle is 4,600 lbs.
The Airstream manufacturer stated weight of the FB, unloaded is 5,200 lbs. Loaded it could go to a max of 7,300 lbs. Tongue weight is 720 lbs.

You may very well tow this FB and be "OK." But think about the physics for some time, please. What does it really mean when the trailer outweighs the TV by up to 2,700 lbs or 1 1/4 tons? Do you have any chance in an emergency? Like if a tire blows on the Acura at say 50 mph. on a noticeable downgrade? Or if you have to stop in an emergency at freeway speeds? The Acura will ALWAYS be governed by the FB so take that into account before you travel with this setup. Please. Remember that one of the major responsibilities of driving a vehicle is the safety of the rest of us out there on the road with you.
labans is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2018, 12:40 PM   #96
2 Rivet Member
 
manchaca , Texas
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 50
Blog Entries: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Flower View Post
Not an Acura MDX but set up by Can Am. Currently with 500,000 k and 300,000 k towing a 25 Safari and then a 30 International. Sent out to pasture as a daily driver. It will be coming for a visit next week. Your Acura should do just fine. Attachment 316517
Jim: YOU are a great talented, safe driver. The OP is new and untested.
But WAIT! Your Jeep has a FRAME. The Acura DOES NOT. Not a good choice for the OP as a beginner.
labans is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2018, 12:46 PM   #97
Rivet Master
 
2012 19' International
Southeastern MI , Michigan
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 2,211
Quote:
Originally Posted by Isuzusweet View Post
I am amazed that people who insist that because they can pull a 30 foot Airstream with a pick up truck, that it's a good idea.

Pick up trucks usually have more curb weight, (adding to stopping distances), poor weight distribution (especially under braking), smaller brake rotors with single or twin piston non fixed callipers (compared to say a Porsche Cayennes drilled/slotted rotors with multi piston fixed callipers), higher center of gravity, non performance tires, a very primitive suspension and far less hp per tonne.

Why would you tow with a pick up?

Cheers
Sidekick Tony
With all the risk and worry about the safety of their families and concern for the safety of everyone else on the road Iím surprised some people on here drive at all.

I have noticed that people towing with SUVs drive a lot more sanely that those with the larger pickups I see passing each other every few miles to gain that ever-important car length of distance. The only thing worse is some of the giant bus type RVs.
__________________
2018 International Serenity 27' FB
Michelin 16Ē tires
Hensley Arrow hitch

Tow Vehicle: 2020 F-350 6.7L Diesel
Countryboy59 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2018, 01:00 PM   #98
Rivet Master
 
2012 19' International
Southeastern MI , Michigan
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 2,211
Quote:
Originally Posted by labans View Post
...Remember that one of the major responsibilities of driving a vehicle is the safety of the rest of us out there on the road with you.
Iím responsible for the safety of those in my vehicle no matter what. No one else is. Avoiding things that happen is part of defensive driving.
__________________
2018 International Serenity 27' FB
Michelin 16Ē tires
Hensley Arrow hitch

Tow Vehicle: 2020 F-350 6.7L Diesel
Countryboy59 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2018, 01:35 PM   #99
3 Rivet Member
 
1971 27' Overlander
Kansas City , Kansas
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 235
Take a vacation to Australia. You will see a never ending stream of giant RV's being hauled up mountain passes by cars and SUV's. They can be mobile road blocks. But the safety statistics speak for themselves. Everyone seems to be doing it OK.
Shermy1987 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2018, 01:56 PM   #100
PKI
Rivet Master
 
PKI's Avatar
 
Currently Looking...
Walnut Creek , California
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 3,944
Quote:
Originally Posted by labans View Post
The Acura manufacturer stated weight of that vehicle is 4,600 lbs. -- snip --.
Lebans - the gross on the MDX is 5690. Pat
PKI is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Acura MDX as a tow vehicle BlakeNelson Towing, Tow Vehicles & Hitches 12 04-03-2016 10:34 AM
2012 Acura MDX as TV mark3rs Tow Vehicles 8 12-19-2012 12:43 AM
2007 acura mdx and towing darinr Tow Vehicles 1 06-13-2009 01:57 PM
Acura commercial with an Airstream ZoominC6 Airstream "In the News" 4 06-17-2006 10:12 AM


Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by the Airstream, Inc. or any of its affiliates. Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:52 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.