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Old 09-19-2021, 02:18 PM   #41
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Interesting there is a claim RWD resale is terrible. I've had 4x4 and went to RWD. My trades have been as good with RWD. To be exact when I sold my 2019 F-150 5.0 RWD with max tow it went for only $4800 less than the $6300 I sold it for. That was Feb 2020 before there was a shortage of vehicles. My 2020 F-250 6.7L RWD max tow has had offers over the $71000 sticker. One guy offered me $10000 over sticker (and was willing to go to the bank with me to hand me the cash). We were in the middle of a 7500 mile, 40 day trip out west, otherwise I might have considered it.

I custom order my vehicles which seems to end up being what people are looking for. My dealer has sold every RWD pickup I've had traded within 48 hours of it being on the lot. And the trade is always over high blue book.
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Old 09-19-2021, 02:27 PM   #42
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Hello again, my friends.

Newbie here..I have an order placed for a 2022 F-150 Powerboost XLT, 2WD. Reasons I chose the 2WD? Save about us$6000, slightly better gas mileage, and according to Ford spec sheet, the 2WD has 2120 max payload versus the 4WD, which has 1810. Also, the towing capacity, 2WD has 12,700 lbs, the 4WD 12,400. Plus the anticipated extra cost of maintenance, etc.

I do plan on doing some occasional boon docking, but don't see myself taking the Airstream over any rough roads..as I keep hearing that the Airstreams are "pavement princesses".

Having second thoughts now...would like to hear from the veterans out there...is the 4WD really worth it, towing an Airstream? I also keep hearing "better to have it, and not need it, then to need it, and not have it". True?

I mean, how often to you find yourself pulling such a very expensive trailer "off road"? It would seem to me to avoid such situations...

Thank you for your thoughts.
Unless you live in an area where 4x4 is needed (the snow belt, lots of greasy clay roads like southern GA) you don't "need" 4x4. I quit buying 4x4 as soon as I left snow country and we boondock. Being aware of both the vehicle's and your limits, besides watching weather, RWD will do fine. Also having towed with both the 6 cyl Ecoboost and the 5.0L V8, I found the towing mpg better with the V8.

However, remember payload includes passengers, fuel, payload in the bed AND tongue weight. So to know your payload, subtract your tongue weight from your max payload and you get a rough idea of what you can actually carry in the truck. And remember, tongue weight will increase as you load water, food, clothing, etc in the trailer.

We went to a F-250 because we were within 120LB of max payload in a F-150 with a payload of 2230lb. Our payload in the truck was 2 adults, 2 large dogs (plus their water and food for the day), 3200w inverter/generator, propane for inverter, tool kit, Blackstone 17" grill, 5 gallons of diesel, and other misc. With the 250, we have a payload of over 3300LB, giving us a big safety margin. And no sweat the one time we got pulled over by the weight police.
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Old 09-19-2021, 05:37 PM   #43
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4 wheel drive definitely. Just this past Wednesday I had to use 4 wheel drive on my F250 to get to a campsite in a campground. Moderately steep hill, loose gravel, and a slow turn. Could not get up the hill in 2 wheel drive pulling our 30ft International.
And, when you get ready to sell you'll have a much bigger audience.
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Old 09-19-2021, 06:26 PM   #44
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Being aware of both the vehicle's and your limits, besides watching weather, RWD will do fine.
My translation of "{b}eing aware of .... the vehicle's .... limits" is "you are limited to what you can do by weather and terrain." I prefer to have fewer limits. My 4x4 with locking differential suits me just fine.
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Old 09-19-2021, 08:08 PM   #45
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4WD. You may wonder if you made the right decision, but no for long.
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Old 09-19-2021, 08:09 PM   #46
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4WD or 2WD, pulling an Airstream?

I went through a similar evaluation 13 years ago when I bought my Tundra. I went with 2wd. I have never been stuck towing our Airstream. I do have a set of tire chains that I always carry with me in case I do get stuck. If you get 2wd then I would get the locking differential if this is available. Probably the best reason to get 4wd is resale. I am not worried about resale. I donít plan to replace my truck. I love my Tundra. If something breaks, I plan to fix it.



If I were you and decided to get 4wd, I would seriously consider going to 3/4 ton for the additional pay load.



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Old 09-19-2021, 10:06 PM   #47
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Obviously, lots of good advice.
Due to a curb, I couldn't back the AS into my yard without 4x4. I was glad I have it.
The point is, you don't have to be boondocking to need 4x4.
There have been other times and situations (loose gravel, in particular) that needed the 4x4. But, as many have mentioned, the times are infrequent and unpredictable.
4x4 is not an option you can add after factory build. But, you don't have to use it.
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Old 09-19-2021, 11:54 PM   #48
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I have both a 4wd and a 2wd I tow my AS with. I have never had the 2wd stuck, but have had some hand wringing moments when I have had to drive across wet grass or start out on a gravel hill.
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Old 09-20-2021, 05:05 AM   #49
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Love our 4 WD, of course this is New England. We also snowmobile, also like the extra ground clearance.
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Old 09-20-2021, 06:23 AM   #50
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Next year the big three are all putting heated tailgates on every 2WD truck in order to keep your friends’ hands warm while pushing your truck.
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Old 09-20-2021, 08:15 AM   #51
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Thanks everyone for your feedback. I decided to change build sheet and go for the 4WD option. BTW, the cost over the 2WD was us$3875.

The most compelling reason was the higher resale value, followed by having it when I needed it.

Thanks again, everyone.
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You will have a very tough time with payload on a 27' AS. I would strongly advise bumping up to an F250.

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Old 09-20-2021, 08:30 AM   #52
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You will have a very tough time with payload on a 27' AS. I would strongly advise bumping up to an F250.

Bob
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4WD erodes potential payload capacity. My 4WD F-150 is just barely adequate to tow a 2017 25FB. Itís the short bed so maybe the longer bed has a higher GVWR. And thatís with humans weighing a combined 270# and very little gear in the bed. Lots of gear rides on the trailer floor, which creates its own issues (load distribution, floor damage). Or, rather, rode in the trailer. Next trip will be with the 2022 F-250 and its nearly double the payload of the F-150.
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Old 09-20-2021, 08:46 AM   #53
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Hey Bob,

A little off topic but, sounds like you have some experience with this. My 27 Globetrotter is due in at the end of October (I will believe it when I am touching it).

I did a lot of research based on being able to tow it with my current 4WD F-150. The GCVWR of my F-150 according to the manual is 14,400#. As I said above, With the truck and trailer maxed out I am right on the number. The manual also says “reduce the GCWR by 1000# for towing in the mountains”.

I don’t know if it will be doable or not. I went into this purchase with eyes wide open knowing I may need or want to upgrade to a 250.

Would the manufacturer publish numbers that won’t work or unsafe? I would not put it past them. I can tell you that every AS dealer and every truck dealer that have have ever spoken to are completely clueless about towing capacity.

What do you think?

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Read the posts on this Forum Topic...my 28' tongue weight actually weighed in at 1100lbs new when I picked it up and we loaded our "stuff"inside. Go to the scales and get accurate reading for your GT. And yes, the F150 is likely over Payload with your 27GT...so be careful..
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Old 09-20-2021, 09:31 AM   #54
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If you stick to the main roads and don't get into grassy areas, never see snow, never plan to boondock in rustic campgrounds, then 2wd is fine...BUT

If you plan to encounter any of these types of surfaces, then 4x4 is well worth the price of admission.

You only need it 1x and not have to to prove a point.

I've used it about 12x while out and about these past 20 some odd years and I would not be without it. I had an issue with my actuator, not expensive, but just lazy not to replace it. Sure enough I needed 4x4 one season and had to break out the tow strap and have someone tug me a bit. Got home and replaced the actuator.

I fact, I just used 4x4 yesterday when I put my RV up for the winter. Surface was grassy, ground dry, but very slight incline, and even with limited slip, I could still get both tires breaking traction backing the RV into the pole barn. 4x4 on, issue evaporated and RV quickly and easily put away.

Fuel economy is negligible UNLESS 4x4 is engaged.
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Old 09-20-2021, 10:54 AM   #55
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How do I close this thread?

Thanks everyone for the valuable feedback. Now how do I close out this thread? Is that only for moderators?
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Old 09-20-2021, 10:39 PM   #56
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Please see gypsydad's post on payload. My F250 with 30ft trailer and all the stuff for a long trip is really close to payload. Even though you will not exceed GCVWR you will probably be over carrying capacity. These are 2 different specifications, don't confuse them.
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....... My F250 with 30ft trailer and all the stuff for a long trip is really close to payload. .....
Hi

..... who would have guessed that . ( = that's why I moved up from a 250 to a 350 ...)

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Old 09-22-2021, 06:48 AM   #58
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My previous Sierra was a 2wd: I made the arguments, that it had a locker, would get better gas mileage, etc.

You don't need 4wd, until you do.

I got stuck twice in different situations, managed to get out of one on my own but had to have a buddy provide a tug to get out of the other. If I'd had a 4wd, I could have just driven right out.

Here's my real concern for you: I have a 1500, it's great, with my FC20. If I was towing a 25', though, I'd trade it for a 2500. You've got a 27' Airstream? Since you're a Ford guy, you need a F250. Once you have the trailer on the truck, you don't have much payload left.

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Old 09-22-2021, 08:37 AM   #59
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My previous Sierra was a 2wd: I made the arguments, that it had a locker, would get better gas mileage, etc.



You don't need 4wd, until you doÖ

I buy my Rams off the lot and one of the reasons I buy 3500 4x4ís is because they come stock with ďAnti-Spin Differential Rear AxleĒ (as it reads on the Build Sheet). Years ago I had an open differential (F250) 4x4 truck and Iíll never make that mistake again.
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Been a long time since I have had a 2 wheel drive, as mentioned 2WD is much harder to sell when and if the time comes. I actually got stuck on level ground with a 2WD F150 on wet grass one time!

As far as towing our 20' we have only "needed" it a couple of times, once when camping in a campground with steep switchbacks and then a steep incline to back into a camp space. Often use automatic AWD in wet conditions and it has actually engaged a few times while accelerating up onramps.
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