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Old 03-14-2022, 05:43 PM   #1
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We had to pay $5,000 over sticker for our 2021 Land Cruiser.

We sold our 2008 in two days for $38,750 with less than 72,000 miles. They tried to talk us down, but I said you can find plenty with 150,000 miles in their price range.

Since I am already 12,000 years old as a Neanderthal, we felt it time to sell our dependable 2008 and began... hunting for a Land Cruiser. NONE to be found, but several Lexus models that we did not like the look.

One dealership about two hours away from us... had one... just rolling off the delivery truck. They never know what they are going to get... they just take whatever shows up. Drove down in the F350 Ford and the 2021 looks much like any other Land Cruiser made since 2008. Just a few more electronics, that will take me some time to figure out what they are for.

I find a used 2021 Land Cruiser for sale in Henderson, Nevada, 11,647 miles and priced at $113,000. Almost three times the cost of our first home in Grandview, Missouri for $48,000 and a half acre lot.

Yep... people complain about prices of Used Airstreams and Olivers... but next year... are you a Gambler or Not?

We understand the odds are not good to find one new on a lot, as we heard the rumor about Land Cruisers not to be sold in the USA as it was figured into the Fleet Gas Mileage? I do not know... but if you want this Land Cruiser... wait. I figure 20 years will be enough time for us.

We had to pay $5,000 over sticker for our 2021 Land Cruiser.

We sold our 2008 in two days for $38,750 with less than 72,000 miles. They tried to talk us down, but I said you can find plenty with 150,000 miles in their price range.

Since I am already 12,000 years old as a Neanderthal, we felt it time to sell our dependable 2008 and began... hunting for a Land Cruiser. NONE to be found, but several Lexus models that we did not like the look.

One dealership about two hours away from us... had one... just rolling off the delivery truck. They never know what they are going to get... they just take whatever shows up. Drove down in the F350 Ford and the 2021 looks much like any other Land Cruiser made since 2008. Just a few more electronics, that will take me some time to figure out what they are for.

I find a used 2021 Land Cruiser for sale in Henderson, Nevada, 11,647 miles and priced at $113,000. Almost three times the cost of our first home in Grandview, Missouri for $48,000 and a half acre lot.

Yep... people complain about prices of Used Airstreams and Olivers... but next year... are you a Gambler or Not?

We were not, heard the rumor about Land Cruisers not to be sold in the USA as it was figured into the Fleet Gas Mileage? I do not know... but if you want this Land Cruiser... wait. I figure 20 years will be enough time for us.

No, I do not tow the 27FBQ International with the Cruiser. Use the F350 Diesel 4x4 Ford. I could tow the Oliver Elite II... but one 'Tank' at a time for towing. Nancy does not want to drive the Ford Tank to buy Peppers at Albertson's on Sale. Cannot blame her, at all. It is a three mile hike...

I have owned Land Cruisers since 1985... Bad straight 6 cylinder engines in those days. Liked selling them at 180,000 to 248,000 miles running just fine, IF they were V8's. The front end wears out first... for some reason. Just have the front end pulled out and replace the entire works, add your tires and you are good to go.

There is a 1985 LC for sale for $38,900... I recall buying my new LC at $12,000.

Added: Whined and got a good supply of Air and Oil filters, a cane Toyota hat and interior air filters as part of the 'deal'. When we began to deal... Zzzzzzz was the response.
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Old 03-14-2022, 08:23 PM   #2
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Congratulations on the LC!

Perhaps heard of by the general public, but probably little known by as sales numbers for these are smaller than some exotic nameplates.

Arguably one of the most developed, durable, and highest quality product on the market.

Curious why you have a Sequoia pictured?
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Old 03-15-2022, 07:44 AM   #3
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Congratulations on the LC!

Perhaps heard of by the general public, but probably little known by as sales numbers for these are smaller than some exotic nameplates.

Arguably one of the most developed, durable, and highest quality product on the market.

Curious why you have a Sequoia pictured?
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That was the illustration used as a... Land Cruiser, if you go to the advertisement.

Much like the article about the Fiber Glass Airstream... compared to the Fiber Glass Oliver for RV Life I posted earlier this week. A typo for sure, but maybe needs to be corrected. I am still looking for the Fiber Glass Airstream...
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Old 03-15-2022, 10:50 AM   #4
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There's quite a few of us that tow ASs with Cruisers and its sister platform the LX570. If anyone is looking for pics, many posted here

https://www.airforums.com/forums/f46...ml#post2501494

It's not a towing focused beast like some trucks, but it's one of the higher rated capacity SUVs able to tow up to a 27' AS if setup right.

It has some of it's own talents for technical off-roading if anyone is so inclined. Perhaps a great mixed vehicle for trips like MOAB, towing, backcountry, and technical.

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Old 03-16-2022, 10:45 AM   #5
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1978 Chevy DOG: 1981 ONLY TOYOTA VEHICLES SINCE :)

Now I have to recall dates and numbers... so I ask Nancy. Her ability to recall numbers is amazing. She even knows how old each of us are, today.

We had TWO 1994 Land Cruisers, at one time, NEW. A Maroon, mine and a Green, hers.

I sold my 1994 LC in 2006, and bought a 2006 Tundra to tow the 23 foot Safari. My 'maroonie' had 248,000 miles on the odometer, not including BACKING OUT MILEAGE. The front axle whined, due to wear and you can also expect wheel bearings to go out. Those I can do. (The 2006 4.7L was replaced with a 2008 5.7L and the BEST Tundra engine and body since...!)

A Mexican National drove to Denver to buy the 2006 LC. The Cruiser had an excellent interior and exterior... just the front end needed to be pulled and replaced. Land Cruisers are BIG in Mexico, as well. Our vehicles are easy to sell... as they are well kept.

U Joints, I cannot recall. I have been 'self employed' every since I figured out my boss was doing a lot better than I was, doing the work. Hmmm... paid off house, paid off any debt, quit and lived happily ever after. This was before the end of the 20th Century.

Have worked for myself forever.. and ourselves for a long time. If you are competent, hard worker with imagination... good things happen. And they did. A handshake is our word... with paper just in case the other party has a bad memory.

Geez... my posts are always long and now I understand why.

We KEEP MILEAGE LOGS on all our vehicles. Date, Odometer mileage, reset mileage, cost of fuel, gallons, $$$ total.

I note Oil Changes and any work I did. Air filters, Oil change dates and weight and brand..., wheel bearing date, which front wheel... everything. We get TOP DOLLAR for our vehicles. I had neighbors who put in a 'request to buy'. Never needed to trade anything in, except for an early Supra with the overheating possibility engine that was bad for one model year.

My FIRST Pickup was a Chevrolet 3/4 ton stick shift. An 1978 4x4 3/4 ton... and the biggest DOG I ever owned. Rusting after two years and never shifted right. Reason... three inches of the transmission spline the wheel bearing fit over... was missing. Red spray paint on the broken spot on the front of the transmission... but they still used it. The Dealer must have known they had a Sucker... as I took it in... and they said the throwout bearing needed to have some oil squirted on it. That was their repair. I was a Chevy Guy... until I found out.

I pulled the engine on the driveway, bought the parts and shifted well after that.

Bought Toyotas since 1981. Pay more at first, sell for more than most vehicles when selling. People line up and test drive and thank us.

This 2021 Land Cruiser already is a Classic. By our mistake, as we thought 2022 would be the last in the USA. Too bad... not a Diesel. Oh well....

I now have a F350 Diesel 2016... and love it. The navigation has not worked since owning it... but it runs well, no problem and was I surprised... Really. If Toyota comes out with a 3/4 Ton... truck... hmmm... maybe?

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Old 03-18-2022, 01:51 PM   #6
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This thread is missing some LC pictures. Congratulations on the new one.

Here is the new LX though. The back looks great. I think the LC will come along too.

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^Nice. Hadn't seen that picture of the 300-series flex. That's putting a leg out.

On the LC forums, there's an RTI (Ramp travel index) tracker. It's a core performance metric for off-roaders. The sleep Land Cruiser series may not look like much, but puts up the stats with the best of them.

RTI Score Chart:

'18 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon JLUR (bar off): 724
Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon JLUR (bar off): 718
'22 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 4xe (bar off): 701
Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon JKUR (last gen, bar off): 687
'22 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 392 (bar off): 684
'20 Toyota Land Cruiser Heritage Edition: 661
'21 Bronco 2-Door First Edition 35" Sasquatch (bar off): 648
'17 Toyota Land Cruiser: 647
'17 Lexus LX570 (AHC normal, 20" wheels): 645

Jeep Gladiator Rubicon (bar off): 607
'17 Ford Rapter Supercab: 603
'21 Ram 1500 TRX: 602
'93 Toyota Land Cruiser 80-series: 593
'20 Lexus LX570 Sport w/chin spoiler (AHC high, 21" wheels): 588
'95 Land Rover Discovery: 588
'10 Toyota 4runner w/KDSS: 584
'94 Land Rover Defender 90: 580
'17 Land Rover LR4: 560
'21 Toyota 4Runner TRD Off-Road KDSS: 555
'21 Ford Raptor w/37" tire package: 537
Mercedes G63 AMG (last gen): 534
Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon JLUR (bar on): 523
'21 Bronco 2-Door First Edition 35" Sasquatch (bar on): 522
Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon JKUR (last gen, bar off): 518
'17 Land Rover Discovery: 516
'07 Toyota FJ Cruiser: 515
'22 Rivian R1T (Normal): 510
Chevy Colorado ZR2 Bison: 501
Toyota Tacoma TRD Pro: 492
'21 Chevy Colorado ZR2: 489
'22 Rivian R1T (Rock Crawl Mode aka high): 488
'14 Toyota Tundra TRD Pro: 484
Jeep Gladiator Mojave: 476
Toyota Tacoma TRD Off-Road: 468
Jeep Gladiator Rubicon (bar on): 458
'17 Land Rover LR4 (high mode): 457
'15 Ford F150: 420
'14 Ram Power Wagon: 412
Chevy Colorado Z71 (air dam removed): 410
'17 Land Rover Discovery (high mode): 377
'11 Mercedes-Benz G-Class 300 CDI Professional: 376
'17 Nissan Armada: 362
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'17 Lexus LX570 (AHC normal, 20" wheels): 645


It seems a bit unfair to not do the test with AHC in high.
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'17 Lexus LX570 (AHC normal, 20" wheels): 645


It seems a bit unfair to not do the test with AHC in high.
The 2017 and 2020 LXs are for all intents and purposes identical, so the "high" score is represented.

Interestingly for cars with adjustable height capability, on an RTI test, it's generally normal position that scores higher. Because high inherently is asking the suspension to not compress as much and maintain clearance. Whereas RTI is testing max flex near the end of the suspension travel ranges.

Now give the LX some more flexy sidewall (or smaller than 20" wheels), and it surely would put up even higher scores
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Ive asked my wife a number of times if she will part with her 04 LC. Shes never liked the newer body style. She says they look like big Highlanders.
Fine with me if she wants to keep it. We buy them with 100,000 miles on them, and run them to 250,000. Never have had an issue. Well, one has an axle seal that needed replaced.
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Interestingly for cars with adjustable height capability, on an RTI test, it's generally normal position that scores higher. Because high inherently is asking the suspension to not compress as much and maintain clearance. Whereas RTI is testing max flex near the end of the suspension travel ranges.

Now give the LX some more flexy sidewall (or smaller than 20" wheels), and it surely would put up even higher scores
Your 20" wheels with 35s looks pretty great. I think when I join the club the surplus of 18" tundra factory options out there are going to be hard to resist.

I had no idea it worked like that. I don't have a great understanding of it. So the lower score on the sport is not because of the lower lip, but the suspension loosing down travel because it is in high?


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Ive asked my wife a number of times if she will part with her 04 LC. Shes never liked the newer body style. She says they look like big Highlanders.
Fine with me if she wants to keep it. We buy them with 100,000 miles on them, and run them to 250,000. Never have had an issue. Well, one has an axle seal that needed replaced.
That looks like a great setup. We are working on replacing our 3rd gen 4runner (102k when we got it) that has been with us for 15 years and 140k miles.

The 100 series and GX470 were both on the list when I started but prices are crazy for a clean example. They all seem to get sold when the timing belt is do. I think both have officially been enveloped in the overland trend and the prices are reflecting that. I ran across a really clean late model lx470 on the hiking trail this weekend. It was black with the charcoal lower molding riding on a set of BFG ATs. It really is a great looking truck.
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Your 20" wheels with 35s looks pretty great. I think when I join the club the surplus of 18" tundra factory options out there are going to be hard to resist.

I had no idea it worked like that. I don't have a great understanding of it. So the lower score on the sport is not because of the lower lip, but the suspension loosing down travel because it is in high?



That looks like a great setup. We are working on replacing our 3rd gen 4runner (102k when we got it) that has been with us for 15 years and 140k miles.

The 100 series and GX470 were both on the list when I started but prices are crazy for a clean example. They all seem to get sold when the timing belt is do. I think both have officially been enveloped in the overland trend and the prices are reflecting that. I ran across a really clean late model lx470 on the hiking trail this weekend. It was black with the charcoal lower molding riding on a set of BFG ATs. It really is a great looking truck.
I kept the 20" wheels largely because of towing at the upper spectrum of the 200-series capacity. The 27FB is touching on 8k lbs. Scaled GCWR is 14.7k and I've traveled heavier than that. The 20" wheels really do provide better stability, especially now that I'm on even taller 35" tires.

In regards to RTI, AHC high will increase lift and effectively spring rate, which limits compression travel. That's where some of the score is given up. Max RTI for a platform will have 2 corners at max compression, and 2 corner at max droop.

The 200-series is way fun to off-road once it's modified. Yet still tow like a champ. I wish I could measure the RTI of my modified 200-series, but she stuffs tires and puts legs out nicely.

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I towed my 19' Bambi for about a year with my 1999 Landcruiser. In the end, the 4 speed transmission was horrible on mountain passes in Colorado (which is where we tow all the time). The Landcruiser was an amazing off-road vehicle and I enjoyed it for 22 years. I probably would have purchased a 2022 if they had decided to sell them in the US. I just didn't like the Lexus (too heavy, too much stuff I didn't want). In the end I bought an F-150 (which didn't cost much less than a new LX600). The F-150 is about far better at towing in the mountains than my Landcruiser was. But I still miss my Landcruiser, its short wheelbase and amazing off-road capability.


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