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Old 09-09-2020, 10:37 AM   #21
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So took the new 2020 F150 with 20 inch wheels out. Towed like a dream. I don't have the roadmaster suspension system on yet, and frankly hardly need it. Will still put it on to firm up the back end, but with the pro pride hitch it worked wonderfully.

I had to put 1000 miles on it before I towed with it. So we did a lot of driving!!! We had to tow with it in a few days after getting it, so we took a road trip!! We average 21.6 mpg without the trailer. The computer had us at 22mpgs. And we drove 70mph most of the time. So good mpg. I averaged about 11mpgs while towing 65mph most of the way. So not bad. Maybe some better than my 2017. One thing I noticed is the 10 speed transmission seemed smoother than my 2017. Seems like Ford made some improvements. Breaking with the trailer also seemed improved. I have the gain set at 8 at the medium setting. Worked great.

I tried using the pro back up assist on the AS. I thought I had it set to work, but when I got to the campground it didn't pick up the sticker. So I need some adjusting there. Any hints from others that have set it up would be appreciated. But that's not a big deal. The Pro-trailer back up assist is really for use with my cargo trailer.
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Old 09-09-2020, 10:42 AM   #22
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Tires have changed a lot recently. Both 18Ē and 20Ē are available in 4080# rating now.
Go with the size that looks better to you.
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Old 09-09-2020, 09:46 PM   #23
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Payload

Check the payload numbers on your specific truck (not the UP to numbers). The more options you get, the lower the Payload. Due to the relatively lower payload numbers on most F-150, I went with an F-250 Gasser (6.2 L) and been very happy with the towing and the extra payload capacity.
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Old 10-10-2020, 10:06 AM   #24
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What year is your F-150 and what is it's towing capacity and payload capacity ratings? I noticed it said 2013 on your profile, is this correct? Seems like the new 2021 F-150's have increased both max payload capacities and towing significantly over the past 8 years with the new 2021's with twin turbo V6 pulling up to 14,000 pounds. I just purchased a 2021 25FB International and have been deciding between the new 2021 F-150 and the F-250. I've had many people tell me the new F-150 would be the better overall vehicle choice. Definitely a decision that I am taking serious so would love to hear thoughts. Thanks!
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Old 10-10-2020, 11:12 AM   #25
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What year is your F-150 and what is it's towing capacity and payload capacity ratings? I noticed it said 2013 on your profile, is this correct? Seems like the new 2021 F-150's have increased both max payload capacities and towing significantly over the past 8 years with the new 2021's with twin turbo V6 pulling up to 14,000 pounds. I just purchased a 2021 25FB International and have been deciding between the new 2021 F-150 and the F-250. I've had many people tell me the new F-150 would be the better overall vehicle choice. Definitely a decision that I am taking serious so would love to hear thoughts. Thanks!
I tow a 28í with a 2020 F150 3.5 XLT ecoBoost. Tows great. This is why I chose the F150 and not the F250.
1) F250 is big. I have to get in and out of driveways as an appraiser. Itís hard enough with an F150. The turning radius on F250 is horrible and the truck is longer. It is also 4 inches higher making getting into the bed etc more difficult.
2) Terrible gas mileage when not towing. The best mileage to expect is about 15mpgs on the highway with an F250 when not towing. Compare that to 22mpgs with an F150, and it was a no brainer. Since I am driving without the trailer far more than with the trailer the economics didnít warrant an F250.
3) Better ride in the F150. I know people will say hardly notice the difference. But I did. Maybe not so much while towing (I didnít get a chance to try), but while not towing I could definitely tell the difference when I tested it. It took me about 1 mile to say, ďNo thanks.Ē
4) I towed my 28í with a 2017 F150, and it was just fine.

So now the question is payload. Yes the payload on an F250 is more. But again, we donít pack heavy enough to warrant it. So maybe I might be over 100lbs once in a while. Is that justification for buying an F250 for the few times I might be a bit over. I didnít think so. I just pack the light bulky stuff in the bed of the pickup. Itís just me, my wife, and our 50lb dog. Wife weighs 110lbs wet, and I am about 188lbs. 150lbs is excluded for driver weight as well as full tank of gas. My payload is about 1700lbs. My tongue weight is 1100lbs. So Iím good. Close enough.

But if you are the kind of person that is taking a 4 wheeler and the ďkitchen sinkĒ and 2 other people with you then an F250 might be essential. I donít know. I just know for what we use the trailer for it made no sense.

Thatís where everyone has to kind of make a personal decision. I can only tell you my process.
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Old 12-17-2020, 12:56 PM   #26
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2021 F150 HDPP or max tow

I'm too am still investigating the options for a new F150. I have learned that Ford has 3 different frame thickness variations used on the F-150 depending on options selected. So far it appears that any truck under 7000 gvwr will have a .87 mil thick frame, any truck between 7000 and 7600 gvwr will have a 1.0 mil thick frame and trucks over 7600 gvwr will get a 1.1 mil thick frame. As I understand it, the HDPP gets the thickest frame. I have not learned what frame thickness is associated with the max tow package. HDPP requires 3.73 locking rear differential while Max Tow can have either 3.55 or 3.73 locking rear differential. HDPP requires 18" silver aluminum heavy duty wheels and gets LT 265/70R 18C OWL tires. My understanding is that whatever wheel you use, it has a specific weight reading based upon size and manufacturing process. We all know that tires have different ratings as well. It does no good to match tires with heavier ratings than the wheels can support. I think the preference if for the tire to fail before the wheel. It appears (and I am still researching) that the HDPP tire is an LT tire with a C weight rating. That makes no sense. I believe that the HDPP gets a extra leaf in the rear but I don't yet know about the Max tow. More to follow.
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Old 12-17-2020, 01:32 PM   #27
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I'm too am still investigating the options for a new F150. I have learned that Ford has 3 different frame thickness variations used on the F-150 depending on options selected. So far it appears that any truck under 7000 gvwr will have a .87 mil thick frame, any truck between 7000 and 7600 gvwr will have a 1.0 mil thick frame and trucks over 7600 gvwr will get a 1.1 mil thick frame. As I understand it, the HDPP gets the thickest frame. I have not learned what frame thickness is associated with the max tow package.
I am very interested to know the source of this information.
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