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Old 02-07-2024, 11:11 AM   #1
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2019 RAM 1500 4WD and a 25 footer

Hi, I know some tow a 25' FB FC with 150's and have some trouble with TW and payload but in the end it seems like it gets resolved. I know most will say get a 250 and no problems.
Our situation is we want a 25' FB FC and have a line on a fair priced 2018 but cant afford to get a 250. So my question is any one here towing a 25 footer with a RAM 1500 ? The RAM I think sucks for towing due to it's coil over in the rear. We towed our 23' FC with it and it took me a bit to get it towing well. Not too concerned with payload we travel light. My 23' FC TW was about 850lbs & I'd transfer aprx. 250lbs to front axle with WD hitch.
I know many many factors play into a tow set up that works. So basically I'm just looking for someone who tows a 25 footer with a RAM 1500 and there experience.

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RAM 1500 platform will handle a 25 no problem. With some simple mods the towing performance can be improved but out of the box should be no issues.

Dropping in some Lithium batteries on the trailer will reduce tongue weight by over 100lbs
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Old 02-08-2024, 12:02 PM   #3
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I towed a 25' International with a RAM 1500 for several years. It did a fine job towing, payload was the achilles heel.

I even towed our 27' GT with it for a year. But I felt I was pushing the limits of the trucks capability (again payload) and decided to get a 2500.

Towing a 25' with a 1500 can certainly be done, IMHO.
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Hi, I know some tow a 25' FB FC with 150's and have some trouble with TW and payload but in the end it seems like it gets resolved. I know most will say get a 250 and no problems.
Our situation is we want a 25' FB FC and have a line on a fair priced 2018 but cant afford to get a 250. So my question is any one here towing a 25 footer with a RAM 1500 ? The RAM I think sucks for towing due to it's coil over in the rear. We towed our 23' FC with it and it took me a bit to get it towing well. Not too concerned with payload we travel light. My 23' FC TW was about 850lbs & I'd transfer aprx. 250lbs to front axle with WD hitch.
I know many many factors play into a tow set up that works. So basically I'm just looking for someone who tows a 25 footer with a RAM 1500 and there experience.

Thanks
If you find the rear a bit “squishy” you might try putting in better quality shocks.
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Old 02-08-2024, 01:03 PM   #5
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2link2, we bought a 2019 RAM 1500 to tow our 2019 27’ Globetrotter. The dealer traded for the truck and told us it had 1840 lbs. payload, right at the minimum I wanted.

It turned out to have 1220 lbs payload. After questioning the dealer about the discrepancy, we agreed to take the trailer to the CAT scales to see if it was over the GAWR Rear rating of 4100 lbs.

While payload is a good rule of thumb, some would argue the GAWR is a more important factor. We were 60 lbs. over the limit with an empty trailer.

We did take it on one trip to see how it handled the trailer. It had plenty of power (3.91 axle) and had no trouble getting up to speed. As Hans627 mentioned, it felt at times like the tail was wagging the dog especially around Semis.

We used a Blue Ox SwayPro with 1000 lbs bars initially and couldn’t get enough weight moved to the front so I tried 1500 lbs. bars but they made it too rigid and I was afraid of FES.

We ultimately got the dealer and FCA to buy the truck back and purchased a 2019 RAM 2500 with 2941 lbs. payload and rear GAWR of 6390 lbs. No more payload anxiety, no more tail wagging the dog (truck is over 1000 lbs heavier) and we’re getting the same or better MPG.

Can you tow your 25’ AS with a RAM 1500? Of course, it will work. Go to the CAT scales and do a three pass method to see where you’re at.

If you decide to go that way, I would install a set of four Bilstein 4600 shocks and a set of 1500# SumoSprings to replace the rear jounce bumpers. The SumoSprings made a big improvement on our 2500 going over bridge dips.

The RAM’s coils will give you a better ride and are fine for rear suspension. Our 2500 has them and they’re great.

Good luck with your decision!
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Old 02-08-2024, 09:05 PM   #6
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Awesome replies everyone thanks a bunch ! And great tip on the shocks and springs. That really puts me ease ! The sticker on the RAM says 1788lbs max for cargo and passengers. The seller of the 25' has weighed the trailer a few times He said it came in loaded for camping at 1100lbs one time and 1025lbs another and He has since installed the lithium batteries. So that will leave us with aprx. 688lbs. I'm gonna watch that carefully good thing the dog only weighs 32lbs

I've been kinda nervous about the RAM's ability safety wise. It's got a 5.7 hemi so it wont have a problem pulling it I was concerned about the "tail wagging the dog" part.

Interesting on the 250's having coil over I guess with right springs and shocks solves what I hate about mine which is the amount it squats when loaded.

Towing & hitches can sort of become a rabbit hole with so many variables and choices I really appreciate the info. you guys posted up.
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Old 02-09-2024, 09:21 AM   #7
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We also have a 2019 Ram 1500, 4x4, short bed, with the hemi and 3.92 rear end ratio. We’ve pulled our 2006 25’ Safari nearly 40,000 miles. If payload isn’t an issue, it works well. Payload is always an issue for us with a 950lb tongue weight. Regardless, it tows well. I’ve always felt safe, the 8 speed trans and gear hold is great, and going up and down 6% grades not an issue. The diesels pulling 5th wheels will pass you like your standing still while going up a 6% grade, but 50mph works for me. The truck has 100,000 mostly trouble free miles.

You might look at the rear end ratio on your truck. There is a huge difference in GCWR and max trailer weight between the 3.21 and 3.92 gear ratios. I would not do it with the 3.21 gears.

My only concern has been excessive oil temperature when pulling up long steep grades, like Washington 20 from Winthrop to Ross lake. It seemed like the climb and 250+ degree oil temperatures (with the AC off) would never end. An oil cooler may be in our future.

Enjoy the new trailer!
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Old 02-09-2024, 09:38 AM   #8
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I ditto what SandKSmith said, 3.92 gears are almost required. We towed our 9,000 pound 30 foot Classic (1,100 pound tongue weight) with a 14 RAM 1500 for several years until we recently upgraded to a 2500 due to payload. The truck did great with the 8 speed and 3.92 gears.
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Old 02-09-2024, 01:41 PM   #9
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I've never driven the 3.92 gears. = granny gears on a bike & good for off-the-line grunt with the HEMI engine. Not much torque on tap with the gas engines. But once you get rolling ..

Alternative would be to reduce tire diameter a bit.

Climbing comes from horsepower. Semi's don't have much HP that is why they are often in the RH lane and hazards on. Semi's have a lot of torque, which translates into efficiency (operate at low revs)

Our Ecodiesel engine with tune, has less HP than the Hemi, but double the efficiency

Heat =HP. You use up HP, that creates heat. Doesn't matter what engine is used.
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Old 02-09-2024, 04:22 PM   #10
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I use my 2020 Ram 1500 to tow our Flying Cloud 25FBQ. It does quite well and with a properly set-up weight distribution hitch, I never experienced any sagging at the back. Installing Bilstein 5100 shocks greatly improved our towing experience. The Bilsteins provided greater stability and eliminated any porpoising. Furthermore, you will feel much more connected to the roadway with the Bilsteins. It was a very worthwhile expense.
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Old 02-09-2024, 04:40 PM   #11
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I lied - manage to run the VIN for a build spec on my RAM1500 and it's got hard-core towing specs. No wonder it's been great. And good to know as I'm hooking up the 30 Classic next week .

Says HD shocks but as per previous posts, set of Bilstein (I used 4600s) is way better

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Old 02-09-2024, 06:38 PM   #12
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Have no idea on rear axle ratio, I'll try running my vin number & see what I can find out. I did speak with local suspension shop & there recommendation was to add Firestone air bags (not sumosprings) and see how it handles and if the handling isn't ok porpoising or body roll than go with new shocks.
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Have no idea on rear axle ratio, I'll try running my vin number & see what I can find out. I did speak with local suspension shop & there recommendation was to add Firestone air bags (not sumosprings) and see how it handles and if the handling isn't ok porpoising or body roll than go with new shocks.
That’s a common recommendation from local shops…. Before you go with Air Bags, watch this video comparing them.

https://youtu.be/BOdUfcIfKM0?si=9EBkbZEg2igpzlOL
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Old 02-10-2024, 08:46 AM   #14
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RAM 1500 platform will handle a 25 no problem. With some simple mods the towing performance can be improved but out of the box should be no issues.

Dropping in some Lithium batteries on the trailer will reduce tongue weight by over 100lbs
Help me with this idea. I have a 25 FB and the batteries sit on the tongue. If I dropped in some heavier batteries, it wouldn’t help me at all. Now, if I rewire the trailer and move them behind the wheels…..?
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Thats a pretty good "payload" number on your RAM! We have owned 3 different year/model 25's towing with 2 different "new" Tahoe's and finally moved to an Echoboost F150...with very low payload. It towed fine for power, but had some issues with engine temps in hot summers at freeway speeds a few times and also had some brake issues going down steep highway pass while towing. As far as handling, we have used Equalizer, Reese, and then moved to the Blue Ox on our 3rd 25'AS; use the BO also on our 28' now. (I think it's a great hitch.)

As for your situation, I would surely tow your AS a few times and see how "you" feel with the combination. I love the size/power/comfort, and parking with the F150; likely any 1/2T would feel similar in those areas compared to moving up to a 2/3 or 1T. The larger pickups offer more payload for sure, and you would notice a big difference in handling over your 1/2T IMHO. If you feel the combination you have feels good, and your satisfied, I would stay there for now.
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That’s a common recommendation from local shops…. Before you go with Air Bags, watch this video comparing them.

https://youtu.be/BOdUfcIfKM0?si=9EBkbZEg2igpzlOL

Thanks for the link, just curious have you used air bags and compared them to the sumosprings ? If so what didn't like about air bag vs the sumo ?
I defiantly need to do some homework. It seems upgrading to the Bilstiens really improves things so that will get done. Just need to figure out air bag or sumo's.
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Video is a back-door ad for Sumos.

I wanted adjustability, similar to a factory setup but manually operated. The airlifts are easy to install and inexpensive. We don't need much lift either.

Example : say tongue weight is 1000lbs, using WDH that is reduced to 850lbs
To adjust the rear ride height we only need perhaps 100-200lbs of lift.
Airlift 1000s will do that at min 5psi.

5psi * 15lbs/psi *2 = 150lbs

Bilsteins must add a bit of lift, because they are tethered for installation, then after bolt-in the strap is cut.

Pix of my mods and setup. Spacers transformed the handling to something I can toss into corners, like most European chassis'.
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Help me with this idea. I have a 25 FB and the batteries sit on the tongue. If I dropped in some heavier batteries, it wouldn’t help me at all. Now, if I rewire the trailer and move them behind the wheels…..?
The battery location aids in stability. So relocating AGM's for the sake of tonque weight isn't a good idea, and it's best for cells to be outdoors imo.

Lithium batteries are almost 150lbs less than 2xAGM cells. Comes right off the tongue. Doesn't change the wiring much at all either.
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The battery location aids in stability. So relocating AGM's for the sake of tonque weight isn't a good idea, and it's best for cells to be outdoors imo.

Lithium batteries are almost 150lbs less than 2xAGM cells. Comes right off the tongue. Doesn't change the wiring much at all either.

Lifeline group 27 AGM batteries weigh 62 pounds each Lithium 100AH batteries weigh about half that, so replacing two AGMs with two lithiums saves 62 pounds, give or take; going with a single Lithium gets you close to a 100 pounds reduction.
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My MCA 6v AGMs are 80lb each. I was doing morning deadlifts with them.

I used LiTime Mini 100AH 20lbsx2 (just put on a scale).
I have a Li AntiGravity for the boat that's quite a bit lighter.

I also played with propane volume & that is where I got a good 150lbs off the stock tonque weight to 800lbs.
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