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Old 02-10-2024, 07:20 PM   #21
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Thanks for the link, just curious have you used air bags and compared them to the sumosprings ? If so what didn't like about air bag vs the sumo ?
I defiantly need to do some homework. It seems upgrading to the Bilstiens really improves things so that will get done. Just need to figure out air bag or sumo's.
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No, since we have a 2500 there wasn't the need for extra lift. Perhaps on a 1500 that would be a benefit.

The SumoSprings are maintenance free and are unique due to their foam cell construction. If you need more capacity, they offer higher load rated versions. I'm satisfied with the 1500# ones.

The combination of Bilsteins and SumoSprings made a big difference on our RAM 2500 going over bridge decks a wavy pavement.

The more load on the Sumos. the more they push back. Having a pair on the rear plant the rear end to the ground. No rebound when going over dips. YMMV.
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Old 02-11-2024, 12:37 PM   #22
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The guy we bought our 25 Globetrotter from towed it with a Jeep Gladiator eco diesel and the max tow package. And he towed it between Orlando and California. He also took his wife and 2 teenage sons. I already had my 2500 Ram diesel so thats all I know from personal experience. I would imagine a decent F150 will be adequate.
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Old 02-11-2024, 04:53 PM   #23
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Video is a back-door ad for Sumos.

I wanted adjustability, similar to a factory setup but manually operated. The airlifts are easy to install and inexpensive. We don't need much lift either.

Example : say tongue weight is 1000lbs, using WDH that is reduced to 850lbs
To adjust the rear ride height we only need perhaps 100-200lbs of lift.
Airlift 1000s will do that at min 5psi.

5psi * 15lbs/psi *2 = 150lbs

Bilsteins must add a bit of lift, because they are tethered for installation, then after bolt-in the strap is cut.

Pix of my mods and setup. Spacers transformed the handling to something I can toss into corners, like most European chassis'.

Your set up looks like what I'm going to end up with. Seems Air bags advantage is there adjustable & I read up on a RAM forum about sumos & a mixed bag of results on the 1500's. Since we only tow aprx. 3k-5k miles a year adjustable seems the way to go.
On your setup it sounds like with only 5 psi you air up prior to using the WDH ? I'm not sure if it matters when you air up.
One good thing is I ran my vin and I do have a 3.92 axle ratio & the RAM tow package. The 25' were buying has lithium batteries so that helps. I also weighed everything we used in our 23' FC & were under the 688lbs of payload left over from an est. of an 1100lb TW.
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Old 02-14-2024, 10:13 AM   #24
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1/2 Ton w/Tow Package

I've towed with a 1/2 ton for years. I would add Airbags and make sure you've got a WD hitch (that is adjusted right). I didn't see where anyone mentioned 10-ply tires. ALL Towing should be done with 10Ply tires! Tow Packages will give you extra radiator & oil cooling capacity plus a Tow/Haul option on your transmission (changes shift points and locks out overdrive). I personally would not tow anything over 4000#s without a Tow Package.
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Old 02-14-2024, 10:15 AM   #25
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Had a new RAM 1500 towing our (new to us) 2018 25’ FC RTB. Had draft pull when a big rig passed, only slightly unnerving. Had to make a quick lane change once and nearly lost the rig. Immediately purchased a RAM 2500 and never looked back. The difference in towing was like night and day. I know folks have made do with a 25’ and 1500, but one mishap and there could be catastrophic results. Even a several year old 2500 is better than a brand new 1500 in this case.
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Old 02-14-2024, 10:57 AM   #26
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Air suspension Ram 1500

Mine had 4 corner Air Suspension. No need to buy all those extra suspension pieces. Truck always level. Hensley hitch. Was very pleased. We swithced to an SUV cause we wanted a SUV
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Old 02-14-2024, 11:01 AM   #27
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sumo coils

A new heavy duty set of rear coil springs and a set of 1500 sumo Jounce Bumpers along the Bilstein shocks will make it work.


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Old 02-14-2024, 11:37 AM   #28
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Been towing a 25 and 28 AS since 2017 with a RAM 1500 4x4. Current model is a 2019, the best option being a 30+ gallon fuel tank on a 2019. No issues regarding comfort, safety or popped rivets due to excessive TV suspension stiffness. Using a basic equilizer hitch to boot.

1500s specs vary, especially regards payload and most importantly rear end ratios.

Save your money and wait on the 2025 or later Ramcharger. That will be a game changer in terms of range and capability.
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Old 02-14-2024, 12:40 PM   #29
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Had a 2022 Ram 1500 HEMI and towed a 19', then a year later we upgraded to a 25TB. We live in California so almost anywhere we go requires a drive up and through mountains. Towing the 19' was easy with the 1500, but after our first trip to Texas through Tahoe with the Ram 1500 pulling the 25', I decided I had to upgrade to a 2023 Ram 2500 Diesel. UNBELIEVABLE difference! No sway as any car or semi comes by, no issues with acceleration (even on steep inclines), great mileage (diesel), and overall feel so much safer. Now, compared to the 1500 which road as smooth as if not more than my Range Rover, the 2500 is like riding a horse! But I'll gladly take the rougher ride in order to have the safety and power of the 2500.
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Old 02-14-2024, 01:40 PM   #30
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We have no problem towing our 2014 Airstream International 25 QBR with our 2019 Ram 1500 4x4 with 5.6 engine. I did put airbags in the rear coil springs. It tows fine. I get 13 mpg while towing.
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Old 02-14-2024, 08:41 PM   #31
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We had towed our 2011 25' FC with a 2010 RAM 1500 4x4, for over 10 years with no issues. In 2022, it was becoming a challenge to keep the truck and trailer level. We had no problems towing, and never felt unsafe.

Last year we upgraded to a 2023 RAM, HEMI, 4x4. It was a great step up. We don't even know we are towing a trailer.

I would suggest you load the trailer and truck with everything, yes everything you may want or need on a trip. Fill your fresh water, black and grey tanks, propane. Don't forget to top off your truck. Load all of the kids, adults, pets, etc. Then go weigh the truck and trailer. After weighing, go for a ride and in a safe area, and highway speed, hit your brakes.

I'm not trying to put you in an unsafe condition, rather to get a better feel of what it "might" feel like if you are close or over your ratings. I'm also not advocating that you "must" get a 3/4 or 1 ton, nor am I going to tell you, "you NEED a diesel". Those are your decisions.
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Old 02-16-2024, 12:35 AM   #32
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Picked up the 30 Classic in WA, I5 to the border. High winds and snow flurries. Flags were flappin' hard, RAM 1500 towing large!

The 30 Classic has a lot of sail behind the axle, and it's the first time I've felt any "sway" effect. Had to get my foot out of the 75MPH I was goin' .

Did not feel heavy, but then again, no real payload or fluids. My GCWR today was 14000lb, tested with haul gauge. Will confirm tongue weight but I didn't have any real squat, air bags a min 5 PSI.

With suspension upgrades and good tires, I think the 1500 can match a 2500 platform stability-wise. There's always driving lessons too.
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Old 02-17-2024, 09:06 AM   #33
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Picked up the 30 Classic in WA, I5 to the border. High winds and snow flurries. Flags were flappin' hard, RAM 1500 towing large!

The 30 Classic has a lot of sail behind the axle, and it's the first time I've felt any "sway" effect. Had to get my foot out of the 75MPH I was goin' .

Did not feel heavy, but then again, no real payload or fluids. My GCWR today was 14000lb, tested with haul gauge. Will confirm tongue weight but I didn't have any real squat, air bags a min 5 PSI.

With suspension upgrades and good tires, I think the 1500 can match a 2500 platform stability-wise. There's always driving lessons too.
If you have not driven a 3/4-1T towing your 30' on a route like you describe to compare, I would suggest you really can't compare; thats because they are very different. The longer wheel base, the bigger brakes, larger tow/payload capacity, and if a diesel, the engine brake and extra torque/HP, all of this is very noticeable between a 1/2T and 3/4-1T while towing especially a larger AS. Others here have posted many times about the big difference in control, overall experience being night and day between the two, once they have made the switch to the larger TV. 1500 RAM's are notoriously low (<1500# typically). But if thats what you have, and your happy, thats all that matters to some folks..obviously you felt some handling concerns while towing in your description. Just be careful..
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Update, we picked up the 25 a few days ago and have towed it 1k miles and Im amazed at how well it tows ! No air bags or or new shocks yet were traveling light but I was not expecting such a great tow. From AZ I-10 to North on CA I-5 we have been through high winds with very little trailer/truck movement, passed semis at 75+ mph, been passed by semis there speed at least 65-75mph no drafting. No porpoising at all and parts of both interstates are so bad with hundreds of miles of pot holes and bumps you could hardly talk. The jarring was so bad we lost a few rivets and screws on the interior. The truck pulls the hills no problem, braking seems fine the set up feels very stable and safe.
I thought prior to posting this thread question I was going to have to bite the bullet and trade in the RAM 1500 for a 2500, thanks to all of you who posted up your RAM 1500 experience.
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