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02-22-2014, 06:38 AM
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Rivet Master
2023 23' International
Macon
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2015 Ford Expedition with Eco-Boost
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02-22-2014, 08:11 AM
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Rivet Master
2020 30' Classic
Derwood
, Maryland
Join Date: Mar 2010
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Payload, payload, payload....
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John "JFScheck" Scheck
2020 30’ Airstream Classic
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02-22-2014, 08:16 AM
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Rivet Master
2013 30' Classic
Greenwood
, Mississippi
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Not much different than the current model-
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02-22-2014, 09:24 AM
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Rivet Master
2020 30' Classic
Derwood
, Maryland
Join Date: Mar 2010
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My point, the biggest limiting factor is your still stuck with the same payload limitations as before regardless of the switch from that old & tired V8 to the new Eco-Boost....
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John "JFScheck" Scheck
2020 30’ Airstream Classic
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02-22-2014, 09:56 AM
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Rivet Master
2013 27' FB International
El Dorado Hills
, California
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Payload on my 2003 Expedition is 1,600 lbs. Not a limit for me.
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02-22-2014, 10:07 AM
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Rivet Master
2020 30' Classic
Derwood
, Maryland
Join Date: Mar 2010
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Wow, if the sticker inside your door says max payload 1,600lbs - thats pretty high as to what I saw when on the lot in 2013.
Subtract your tongue weight from your trailer, your passengers and what you throw in the back of it....
27FB so I'm going to say (conservatively) 1,000 lbs of hitch and trailer weight on your tongue (my 27FB with ProPride getting ready to camp is more around 1,100 - 1,200 with all tanks empty, etc.) and add to that 1,00lbs of tongue weight two adults (300lbs) and 50lbs of misc stuff (clothes, tools, etc.)....
You are now at the conservative end of 1,350 with a fairly empty trailer - so you are sitting pretty nicely at 250lbs of wiggle room - Not Bad!
A 2013 Ford F-150 Eco Boost that I purchased and owned for about a week - loaded with options and a 200 pound cap with two adults in it had me with with only 700lbs capacity for my trailers tongue weight, and I didn't even have anything in the bed of the trailer yet.
But I gotta admit - LOVED that EcoBoost engine and it was a very nice riding, well appointed truck - just not enough payload....
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John "JFScheck" Scheck
2020 30’ Airstream Classic
**I Love U.S.A.**
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02-22-2014, 10:24 AM
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Rivet Master
2013 30' Classic
Greenwood
, Mississippi
Join Date: Oct 2012
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And outdated styling back to 2004 or 1999...
It is severely overdue for new sheet metal- not more plastic and chrome to disguise the fact that it is still the same-
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2013 Classic 30 Limited
2007 Silver Toyota Tundra Crew Max Limited 5.7 iForce
2006 Vivid Black Harley-Davidson Road King Classic
1999 Black Nissan Pathfinder LE
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02-22-2014, 11:13 AM
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Rivet Master
Vintage Kin Owner
Lin
, Ne
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I see it still has the same 60k powertrain warranty. I'll stick with GM or Dodge with 100k warranty thank you!
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02-22-2014, 11:17 AM
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2021 25' Globetrotter
Jamestown
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Originally Posted by r carl
I see it still has the same 60k powertrain warranty. I'll stick with GM or Dodge with 100k warranty thank you!
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Ford doesn't need gimmicks, they sell the best!
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Loving our 2021 Globetrotter 25 and our 2022 Ford F-150 King Ranch 5.0!!! Plenty of payload, not even close to axel limits and it drives and rows beautifully…
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02-22-2014, 11:30 AM
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Rivet Master
Vintage Kin Owner
Lin
, Ne
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce B
Ford doesn't need gimmicks, they sell the best!
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With your money.
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02-22-2014, 11:59 AM
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Rivet Master
2021 25' Globetrotter
Jamestown
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Remember, I fix these things for my living...I see it all. You better believe with my money!
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Loving our 2021 Globetrotter 25 and our 2022 Ford F-150 King Ranch 5.0!!! Plenty of payload, not even close to axel limits and it drives and rows beautifully…
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02-22-2014, 09:48 PM
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Rivet Master
2013 27' FB International
El Dorado Hills
, California
Join Date: Jan 2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JFScheck
Wow, if the sticker inside your door says max payload 1,600lbs - thats pretty high as to what I saw when on the lot in 2013.
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Payload of 1615 lbs according to the owners manual and Independent four wheel suspension with four wheel drive (2HI/AWD/4WD/4WD low). Adding up the axle ratings and there's more. This is a 11 year old truck. I'd like a new F-150 but they don't all measure up.
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02-23-2014, 07:21 AM
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Rivet Master
2020 30' Classic
Derwood
, Maryland
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The max payload figure is in your door jamb, not in the manual. Go and check as you might be surprised as have been many others...
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2020 30’ Airstream Classic
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02-24-2014, 01:03 PM
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Rivet Master
2013 27' FB International
El Dorado Hills
, California
Join Date: Jan 2013
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Unlike pickups, the door jam sticker is silent on payload. It does give both front and rear axle ratings along with a GVWR. The difference between the vehicles empty weight and maximum weight rating is about 1,600 lbs. This makes sense when you consider it is designed to carry up to eight adult passengers and their stuff, and unlike trucks, base model Expeditions are pretty loaded with options to start.
I've weighed the rig at a CAT scale with the Airstream hitched and fully loaded for travel and both axles are below their maximum. I admit I have to watch what goes into the vehicle to keep the weight in check. My German Shorthair Pointer occupies the rear cargo area (third row seats folded flat), and just a few things stuffed around the middle seats.
I've owned this vehicle since new and pretty much lucked out that it can adequately tow the Airstream I bought last year. It's 2-valve windsor V8 struggles in the mountains so the ecoboost will be a welcome change for the new models.
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02-24-2014, 01:10 PM
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2 Rivet Member
Hilton head island
, South Carolina
Join Date: Nov 2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JFScheck
Wow, if the sticker inside your door says max payload 1,600lbs - thats pretty high as to what I saw when on the lot in 2013.
Subtract your tongue weight from your trailer, your passengers and what you throw in the back of it....
27FB so I'm going to say (conservatively) 1,000 lbs of hitch and trailer weight on your tongue (my 27FB with ProPride getting ready to camp is more around 1,100 - 1,200 with all tanks empty, etc.) and add to that 1,00lbs of tongue weight two adults (300lbs) and 50lbs of misc stuff (clothes, tools, etc.)....
You are now at the conservative end of 1,350 with a fairly empty trailer - so you are sitting pretty nicely at 250lbs of wiggle room - Not Bad!
A 2013 Ford F-150 Eco Boost that I purchased and owned for about a week - loaded with options and a 200 pound cap with two adults in it had me with with only 700lbs capacity for my trailers tongue weight, and I didn't even have anything in the bed of the trailer yet.
But I gotta admit - LOVED that EcoBoost engine and it was a very nice riding, well appointed truck - just not enough payload....
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Doesnt a WD hitch take several pounds off your TW? We have been shopping for tow vehicles and every single dealer and airstream themselves state a f150 is the best vehicle to get. They claim it has not problem with a 30 even. With a property hitch and packing I see no way it gets to 1,350 pound hitch weight
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02-24-2014, 01:56 PM
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Lost in America
2015 27' FB International
2006 25' Safari FB SE
2004 19' International CCD
Santa Fe
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coastal
Doesnt a WD hitch take several pounds off your TW? We have been shopping for tow vehicles and every single dealer and airstream themselves state a f150 is the best vehicle to get. They claim it has not problem with a 30 even. With a property hitch and packing I see no way it gets to 1,350 pound hitch weight
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It's not just what it can tow, but what it can tow and carry combined. Scheck explained how your tongue weight can increase as you quoted him. The WD hitch redistributes the hitch/rear axle weight but it doesn't eliminate it. Also, not all F150's have the same payload capacity. Just ask Scheck.
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02-24-2014, 04:43 PM
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Rivet Master
2013 27' FB International
El Dorado Hills
, California
Join Date: Jan 2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coastal
Doesnt a WD hitch take several pounds off your TW? We have been shopping for tow vehicles and every single dealer and airstream themselves state a f150 is the best vehicle to get. They claim it has not problem with a 30 even. With a property hitch and packing I see no way it gets to 1,350 pound hitch weight
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Tongue weight is dead weight. A weight distributing hitch does not affect tongue weight (except by adding to it due to its own weight). Rather a weight distributing hitch stiffens the connection between the tow vehicle and trailer with the net effect of taking some weight off the rear axle and distributing that weight across the front axle and the trailer axle.
There's lots of "best" tow vehicles to get. Much depends upon your personal preferences. I tend to think the term F-150 as a euphemism for a robust enough vehicle to tow what you own. Of course, the lighter the trailer the more options to pick from.
That said, if you foresee choosing a trailer with a 1,350 lb hitch weight you're choices are probably limited to just a few extra heavy duty truck models.
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