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Old 05-27-2019, 05:55 PM   #21
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Consider a 25 RB Twin
Grey /black tanks,, hot water heater, 2nd ac, three outside storage trunks, and a ton of interior storage is all behind the axle. The loaded TW is considerably less than a 25 fb. Most report loaded TW in the 800 pound range.

One bummer it is not available in the globetrotter trim..
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Old 05-27-2019, 06:00 PM   #22
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My analysis showed we could only tow a 23 fb, 23cb or a 25 rb and stay within all the limits on out 1500 truck..
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Old 05-27-2019, 06:50 PM   #23
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It's all about Payload and Rear Axle Weights

I and another member of an Airstream club have just purchased new 3/4 ton pickups and the results surprised both of us and should be used in your calculations for a TV!
My friend purchased a new 2018 F250 King Ranch, 4x4, Diesel, max tow package and all the electronic options. When we checked his payload capacity last month at an AS Rally, we were both shocked that it was about 1,950 lbs, and with his topper at 200 lbs, that payload was down to 1,750.
My turn to buy and we ordered a 2019 F250 Lariat, 4x2, with 6.2L gas and no additional electronic options. All the F250's on dealers lots were 4x4 and diesels with black interiors. We were pleasantly surprised when we picked up the new TV and it has a 3,500 lb payload!! Rear axle max weight is over 6,000 lbs!!
Our existing F150 has a payload of 1,400 lbs and a rear axle max wt of just under 4,000 lbs. These are the two reasons we moved up to a 3/4 ton (plus we just purchased a triple axle 34 ft AS). We were just under payload and over on the rear axle weight.
Many other advantages to the super duties by all manufacturers, with better brakes and stability.
Since you pay a lot of money for these trucks, make sure you purchase the correct one upfront and the super duties will allow you to make a change to your AS, if you want to go longer and heavier! Please listen to these folks on the forum, because I have found few sales folks at any of the manufacturers that understand the impact of payloads!
Here's an added story for entertainment purposes. My F250 with a 3.73 rear axle ratio has a GVW of 10,000 lbs and a tow capacity of 12,900 lbs. The math says my GCVW should be 22,900. HOWEVER, check the catalogue and my owners manual and it tells me that my vehicle has a GCVW of 19,500??? I have asked the "chat" on Ford.com, dealer that sold me the truck and Andre Smirnov on the TFL youtube channel and after several weeks none have provided an explanation. Just food for thought in looking at all the numbers that go into selecting the correct TV.
Final advice - enjoy the purchase process and get out and meet your fellow Airstreamers! The friendships that we have made are fantastic additions to our Quality of Life!
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Old 05-27-2019, 07:23 PM   #24
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We have a 26í Vintage Airstream. We just took delivery in a new Ford F-250 we ordered. 6.2L Gas engine, 2wd, Lariat... 3,514# payload 👍🏼🎉 A friend bought the F-250 King Ranch with 4wd and a Diesel engine...less than 2k payload. Options matter greatly in these trucks. More options, less cargo. My brother-in-law bought a new Tundra... 1100# cargo 😳😕
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Old 05-27-2019, 07:24 PM   #25
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It is not necessarily true that GVWR plus Trailer Tow equals GCWR. Similarly you cannot have the maximum payload and maximum trailer at the same time, and the two facts are probably related. I have read that Max Tow means the maximum a TV can tow with only a driver and a full tank of fuel. I'm not familiar with the new SAE tow rating specification so if your choice of TVs has the tow rating specified in accordance with the SAE spec you will have to read up on that.
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Old 05-27-2019, 07:29 PM   #26
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I just got rid of my 2019 RAM 1500 Limited... payload was 1310#

Just received delivery of my 2019 RAM Limited Crew Cab 2500 with 6.4, payload is 2900#.

I decided against the diesel for numerous reasons, the 6.4 is a great, reliable HD engine and with the 'new' 8 speed ZF transmission is quite nice.

IF you decide to go for a diesel, don't bother looking at the 2500, you will need a 3500, you will lose a significant amount of payload due to the weight. Several folks over on the https://hdrams.com/ are posting payloads of 1500-1800# with a 2500 diesel.
Only difference is 1 more rear spring leaf ..
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Old 05-27-2019, 07:59 PM   #27
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Iím from the school that if you need WD you need more TV. WD is compensation for lack of TV capacity.
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Old 05-28-2019, 02:52 PM   #28
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We tow a 25 ft FC. We started with the Ram 1500 putting 30000 miles on it. We pack heavy but did ok...not always great through mountains. This year made the leap to the Ram 2500 Cummins 6.7... love it...so much better towing...purrs like a sewing machine...no effort. I especially appreciate the exhaust brake...hardly need to brake going down hill. I had a blow out on the 1500...not fun. The stock tires then were passenger rated..not sure about now but would upgrade tires if you get the 1500. Both Rams very nice trucks...I think a nicer riding truck and better appointed than Ford or GMC...
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Old 05-28-2019, 03:10 PM   #29
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RAM 2500 4WD with bed cap to shelter/conceal your stuff. I was a very happy camper when we moved from a RAM 1500 to 2500 diesel with our 25FB.

There are times that I wish we has a Hemi gas engine. The diesel with it's smog control systems can be a challenge but gets better fuel mileage.
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Old 05-28-2019, 03:16 PM   #30
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I just got rid of my 2019 RAM 1500 Limited... payload was 1310#

Just received delivery of my 2019 RAM Limited Crew Cab 2500 with 6.4, payload is 2900#.

I decided against the diesel for numerous reasons, the 6.4 is a great, reliable HD engine and with the 'new' 8 speed ZF transmission is quite nice.

IF you decide to go for a diesel, don't bother looking at the 2500, you will need a 3500, you will lose a significant amount of payload due to the weight. Several folks over on the https://hdrams.com/ are posting payloads of 1500-1800# with a 2500 diesel.
My 2500 diesel 4wd has a payload of 1835 lbs. Thats not much but it is a perfect match for my 28 fc such that the tongue weight balances out the engine resulting in a perfect weight distribution and no need for a weight distribution hitch. Before you buy you may want to look at Ram's towing chart. They give the axle base weights for each configuration and you can easily calculate what your weight distribution will look like before you decide which one to buy.
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Old 05-28-2019, 04:08 PM   #31
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My 2500 diesel 4wd has a payload of 1835 lbs. Thats not much but it is a perfect match for my 28 fc such that the tongue weight balances out the engine resulting in a perfect weight distribution and no need for a weight distribution hitch. Before you buy you may want to look at Ram's towing chart. They give the axle base weights for each configuration and you can easily calculate what your weight distribution will look like before you decide which one to buy.
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This guy has been on other threads trying to sell the idea that you generally donít need a WD hitch. Donít buy it. Read your truckís manual. Read what other experts say.
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Old 05-28-2019, 04:44 PM   #32
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My 2500 diesel 4wd has a payload of 1835 lbs. Thats not much but it is a perfect match for my 28 fc such that the tongue weight balances out the engine resulting in a perfect weight distribution and no need for a weight distribution hitch. Before you buy you may want to look at Ram's towing chart. They give the axle base weights for each configuration and you can easily calculate what your weight distribution will look like before you decide which one to buy.
2500 Owner's Manual clearly states that a Weight Distribution hitch is necessary if gross trailer weight is 5,000 lbs or more...
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Old 05-28-2019, 04:52 PM   #33
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Only difference is 1 more rear spring leaf ..
Pretty sure "one leaf spring" isn't the difference.. GAWRs are higher than the 2500.
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Old 05-28-2019, 04:54 PM   #34
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2500 Owner's Manual clearly states that a Weight Distribution hitch is necessary if gross trailer weight is 5,000 lbs or more...
Yes. That's for a 1500, not for a 2500. A 2500 has a class V hitch rated for 1800 lbs and a W/D hitch is only recommended for heavier loads.
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Wrong kk. I support the idea of a w/d hitch when necessary. In the case of a 2500 diesel its clearly not necessary and it would actually be detrimental to the weight distribution across the axles.
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Wrong kk. I support the idea of a w/d hitch when necessary. In the case of a 2500 diesel its clearly not necessary and it would actually be detrimental to the weight distribution across the axles.
Ok. Did you delete your earlier post where you said something to the effect that a WDH is only necessary if the tow vehicle is inadequate or do I have you confused with someone else?
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Old 05-28-2019, 05:23 PM   #37
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I don't delete posts. The statement is true. If you have a big enough tow vehicle you don't need a w/d hitch.
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Wrong kk. I support the idea of a w/d hitch when necessary. In the case of a 2500 diesel its clearly not necessary and it would actually be detrimental to the weight distribution across the axles.
Ok. Did you delete your earlier post where you said something to the effect that a WDH is only necessary if the tow vehicle is inadequate or do I have you confused with someone else?
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Yes. That's for a 1500, not for a 2500. A 2500 has a class V hitch rated for 1800 lbs and a W/D hitch is only recommended for heavier loads.
Again with the misinformation.

For a 1500 RAM calls for 1/3 front axle load restoration (FALR)

For a 2500 and 3500 RAM calls for 1/2 FALR. They actually want more WD to be used for the heavier truck. This has been pointed out to you multiple times.

SAE hitch classes only go up to Class IV, rated 10,000 lbs. Read the spec. Any claim for a class over that is manufacturer marketing speak, similar in concept to the inflated tow ratings that have been common from pickup manufacturers over the past few years.
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I don't delete posts. The statement is true. If you have a big enough tow vehicle you don't need a w/d hitch.
Please donít try peddling this stuff. Someone is liable to believe it.
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