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Old 11-24-2009, 09:26 AM   #21
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To begin a response: Thank you for the information, related reading
in previous threads and general feedback. Folks here are good folk.

My main conclusion at this point is that the "Hand Controller" of the
trailer brakes seems to be the best defense at the point where the
blast of air hits the rear of the trailer (through steps 2 and 3 in the
images above).

I thought about this off/on all yestreday evening. Another conclusion:

60MPH = 1 mile per minute
1 mile = 5280 feet
5280 / 60 seconds = 88 ft/sec
So......
60MPH = 88 ft/sec
30MPH = 44 ft/sec
15MPH = 22 ft/sec

If an 18 wheeler passes at an est speed of 80MPH, and I am towing
at a speed of 60MPH - that is a difference of 20MPH - or - calculated
29.33ft/sec.

If these numbers are very close, then a family with a 30ft trailer
would experience steps 2 and 3 above in approx 1 second. I think
that what happened to the family in Thoughts and Blessings...
could happen to any of us regardless of all the best rigging.
The tests I made, confirm your numbers.

Also, if the big rig is coming from the opposite direction, on a single lane road, the individual speeds become additive, as measured with an "airspeed indicator".

Complicating that issue, is the wind speed and direction.

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Old 11-24-2009, 06:14 PM   #22
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Has anyone else noticed that they get worse push from the box type trucks such as the moving vans?


Yup, short, sharp and hard.

Straight trucks (so-called as their is no trailer) are often maxed out as to height/width. And sometimes, not even rounded corners.

I've read today, elsewhere, that the old COE combinations hit the hardest (Cab-Over-Engine; flat front); that they could force aside 18-tons of air at 60 mph. (See link below).

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In the reading around I had the leisure for today, I came across the product called AIRTABS (with which some of you are familiar). They may not save much in the way of fuel (small measurement best applied across a fleet), yet it is remarkable how often, how consistently, other RV'ers are reporting them to be good for mitigating wind-induced sway. Granted, the rolling boxes benefit most:

Air Tabs (vortex generators)

NASA & Vehicle Aerodynamics: Spinoff Technology

Aerodynamics Research Revolutionizes Truck Design


RV Applications: Airtab

Motorhome Test, 2009

http://www.airtab.com/vm/newvisual/a...r2009page2.pdf


Car Hauler Test (rv.net)

I towed down to Watkins Glen and back to Hamilton, [Ontario] on the weekend, first test for the Airtabs. I found that the gas mileage was probably better, but not by enough to really test without some greater mileage, probably on the order of 5% better. The truck pulled fifth gear easier and we ran along easily at 120 Km/hr (75 mph)for a significant part of the trip.

The gain in handling was more pronounced - almost no tractor-trailer induced sway, down from fairly bad sway, and the trailer was more stable in cross-winds as well. Even a bus blowing by at 15 mph faster than I was doing didn't cause a minor heart attack the way it did before. I would say the claims are proven, but with the number of miles I do a half MPG will take a long time to pay back. The improvement in sway control is impressive and worth the money to me.

RV.Net Open Roads Forum: Towing: Airtab test results


One year with Airtabs on motorhome

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Airtabs for [3] years (Airstreamer67)

7.3 PowerStroke in a 1996 F250 towing a 6000 pound JayFeather 25F between 55 and 60 mph when on the highway.

The idea is to prevent as much of the suction effect on the rear as possible. Honestly, I don't think the AirTabs increase the economy significantly, but they surely increase stability in windy conditions and when 18-wheelers zoom by.


RV.Net Open Roads Forum: Towing: how make my Ram increase more MPG towing?


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Finally, a bit of nostalgia. I remember reading this article ca. 1973:

How You Look to a Truck Driver
Popular Mechanics, May 1969

Popular Mechanics - Google Books


There is hope that fuel economy concerns will finally allow us to see more aerodynamic commercial traffic. Hopefully, these "green" tractor-trailers will manage airflow to our mutual benefit in re the topic.
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