Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 10-18-2018, 06:50 AM   #41
Half a Rivet Short
 
2017 30' Classic
Carlisle , Pennsylvania
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 8,858
Hi

The gotcha here is that you are shopping for a trailer that is (likely) more expensive than a tow vehicle. It also (likely) will out-last a tow vehicle by a factor of > 4X. With a typical person't trade in cycle on vehicles, that factor could be much higher.

Just like cars or trucks, trailers depreciate. Indeed you will find stories, but in the other 90% of the cases you take a hit on any of them. Buying the "right sized" trailer up front is *way* better than a progression of 19 -> 22 -> 23 -> 25 -> 27.

Even if you go out and buy it brand new, the basic pickup to tow any of the trailers above is < $30K. Bought "gently used" figure half that. The trade in on any of the steps above could cost you nearly as much as that used truck.

It's easy to get into a "this will tow that" corner based on looking at a select set of numbers. The gotcha is that there are a lot of numbers rather than just one single one. They all have to match up. That's true for the trailer *and* whatever you have loaded in the vehicle. SUV's often have issues way before the trailer alone becomes the limit. (so do some trucks ...).

Even with a vehicle that *will* tow this or that "by the numbers", you may not be happy with the result. There are mods you can do to fiddle this or that. There isn't a lot that will help something like an undersized engine. Yes, try it and see does work. You have to be ready to trade up if you see it does not work.

The alternative is to go a bit over when sizing a tow vehicle (which is what 90% of the people out there do). Then when the real world hits and they load it a bit heavier than they thought, it's ok. When they get into the mountains, it's barely ok. Once all that hits, oversize really isn't oversize anymore.

So, you have time. Go down and look at a range of models. See what fits and how it fits. Not so much fits the tow vehicle, but you and those with you. Can you sit here or there for extended periods of time (there are rainy days). Can you cook in the kitchen while others do their thing? Can everybody sit at the dinner table? Can they get in and out of the dinner table with reasonable effort? ( = do 4 people have to get up to let the one person out ?). Can everybody sit somewhere and see the television? Is there enough storage room? What if a friend or two comes along? Lots of things to look at.

You have the time ... do some looking.

Bob
__________________

uncle_bob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2018, 07:30 AM   #42
2 Rivet Member
 
Anytown , California
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by uncle_bob View Post
Hi

The gotcha here is that you are shopping for a trailer that is (likely) more expensive than a tow vehicle. It also (likely) will out-last a tow vehicle by a factor of > 4X. With a typical person't trade in cycle on vehicles, that factor could be much higher.

Just like cars or trucks, trailers depreciate. Indeed you will find stories, but in the other 90% of the cases you take a hit on any of them. Buying the "right sized" trailer up front is *way* better than a progression of 19 -> 22 -> 23 -> 25 -> 27.

Even if you go out and buy it brand new, the basic pickup to tow any of the trailers above is < $30K. Bought "gently used" figure half that. The trade in on any of the steps above could cost you nearly as much as that used truck.

It's easy to get into a "this will tow that" corner based on looking at a select set of numbers. The gotcha is that there are a lot of numbers rather than just one single one. They all have to match up. That's true for the trailer *and* whatever you have loaded in the vehicle. SUV's often have issues way before the trailer alone becomes the limit. (so do some trucks ...).

Even with a vehicle that *will* tow this or that "by the numbers", you may not be happy with the result. There are mods you can do to fiddle this or that. There isn't a lot that will help something like an undersized engine. Yes, try it and see does work. You have to be ready to trade up if you see it does not work.

The alternative is to go a bit over when sizing a tow vehicle (which is what 90% of the people out there do). Then when the real world hits and they load it a bit heavier than they thought, it's ok. When they get into the mountains, it's barely ok. Once all that hits, oversize really isn't oversize anymore.

So, you have time. Go down and look at a range of models. See what fits and how it fits. Not so much fits the tow vehicle, but you and those with you. Can you sit here or there for extended periods of time (there are rainy days). Can you cook in the kitchen while others do their thing? Can everybody sit at the dinner table? Can they get in and out of the dinner table with reasonable effort? ( = do 4 people have to get up to let the one person out ?). Can everybody sit somewhere and see the television? Is there enough storage room? What if a friend or two comes along? Lots of things to look at.

You have the time ... do some looking.

Bob
Thanks Bob!
You just solidified what i was thinking.
__________________

overthatway is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2018, 08:51 AM   #43
Rivet Master
 
gypsydad's Avatar

 
2017 28' Flying Cloud
2014 25' FB Flying Cloud
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Austin (winter) Lincoln MT (summer) , Texas & Montana
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,392
Quote:
Originally Posted by overthatway View Post
Thanks Bob!
You just solidified what i was thinking.
To add to comments about visiting the AS lot....we have been doing that for going on 20 years...never get tired of visiting and seeing different models. When we go, we typically will spending time sitting in the models we are most interested in and imagining how functional/comfortable it would be. That is why we did not go with the 25' this last time...we love the 25' size, but last 2 25's we owned had the "long lounge" for watching TV, and we were just tired of that wasted space and lack of comfort, for our needs. Oh, and we also love the twin...did I mention the twin has more sleeping area, more dressing area, and also 2 more storage areas outside??
__________________
Empty Nesters; Gypsies on the road!
2017 28' Twin Flying Cloud
2017 F250 King Ranch, 4X4, Blue-Ox WDH
Summer in Lincoln, MT- Winter in Austin, TX
gypsydad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2018, 07:19 AM   #44
Half a Rivet Short
 
2017 30' Classic
Carlisle , Pennsylvania
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 8,858
Quote:
Originally Posted by gypsydad View Post
To add to comments about visiting the AS lot....we have been doing that for going on 20 years...never get tired of visiting and seeing different models. When we go, we typically will spending time sitting in the models we are most interested in and imagining how functional/comfortable it would be. That is why we did not go with the 25' this last time...we love the 25' size, but last 2 25's we owned had the "long lounge" for watching TV, and we were just tired of that wasted space and lack of comfort, for our needs. Oh, and we also love the twin...did I mention the twin has more sleeping area, more dressing area, and also 2 more storage areas outside??
Hi

.... and the twin has an aisle the dogs like a lot better

Bob
uncle_bob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2018, 08:50 AM   #45
Rivet Master
 
gypsydad's Avatar

 
2017 28' Flying Cloud
2014 25' FB Flying Cloud
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Austin (winter) Lincoln MT (summer) , Texas & Montana
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,392
Modified 25'

UB- check this modified 2018 25' FC which is for sale at Bay Area Airstream adventures...it's the modified 25' like I have been drooling over the past 3 years! They have one in stock, 2018, and priced on sale...$87.787. My friend went up there yesterday and checked it out; he said it was really comfortable and loved the layout...he's upgrading from a 23'. Not sure if he will get this one or not...the price is pretty good including the modification...well, "pretty good" is a matter of perspective. Check it out...
https://www.bayareaairstream.com/InventoryDetail.asp?Stock=C5262

Sorry about the pictures being on their side...not sure why they posted on like that...they were right side up when I loaded them...anyone know how to insure the pictures are posted right side up?
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	6 drawer storage.jpg
Views:	76
Size:	212.8 KB
ID:	325827   Click image for larger version

Name:	front loung.jpg
Views:	87
Size:	177.1 KB
ID:	325828  

Click image for larger version

Name:	lounge and drawer modification cost.jpg
Views:	91
Size:	231.1 KB
ID:	325829  
__________________
Empty Nesters; Gypsies on the road!
2017 28' Twin Flying Cloud
2017 F250 King Ranch, 4X4, Blue-Ox WDH
Summer in Lincoln, MT- Winter in Austin, TX
gypsydad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2018, 09:07 AM   #46
2 Rivet Member
 
Anytown , California
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 21
Beautiful!
overthatway is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2018, 07:47 AM   #47
Half a Rivet Short
 
2017 30' Classic
Carlisle , Pennsylvania
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 8,858
Cute !!
uncle_bob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2019, 09:05 PM   #48
Owners since 2012
 
CaymanBreeze's Avatar
 
2010 20' Flying Cloud
Auburn , Washington
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by overthatway View Post
I am looking to purchase an AS next summer. Have been doing some research and finally made it to a dealer to look around them. I am trying to decide between the Sport 22 and the Flying Cloud 20. Since I am planning to live out of it in winter, in the mountains, one of my main concerns is cold weather suitability. I know there are things that need to be done with either model. Right now I am leaning toward the Sport because it seems more insulated and durable.

***Which model is best for cold weather living?***

Please vote and follow up with why/recommendations.
We did not have any trouble with ours in Idaho, winter of 2016, which bright snowmagedon. I ran it all winter on electric and had no issues. We love our 20, but are looking at a larger one in the near future to retire in. Hope this helps.
__________________

CaymanBreeze is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Basecamp, Sport 16, Sport 22, FC 19? Twitterpated 2005 and newer - Bambi all models 49 04-26-2017 04:53 PM
Sport 16' :: 2015 Airstream Sport DanielRDR Airstream Registry Discussions 0 10-05-2016 10:58 AM
2013/2014 Bambi Sport 16' Sport Wrap Windows in back? maureencrist 2005 and newer - Bambi all models 7 04-21-2014 08:46 PM
Airstream Sport 22fb :: 2013 Airstream Sport 22 fb boomerang1 Airstream Registry Discussions 0 07-21-2012 07:23 PM
Airstream Sport 22 :: 2011 Airstream Sport Lone Eagle0 Airstream Registry Discussions 0 08-19-2011 08:32 AM


Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by the Airstream, Inc. or any of its affiliates. Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:03 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.