Journey with Confidence RV GPS App RV Trip Planner RV LIFE Campground Reviews RV Maintenance Take a Speed Test Free 7 Day Trial ×
 


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 06-16-2012, 10:44 PM   #1
2 Rivet Member
 
L.D.Clara's Avatar
 
2015 20' Flying Cloud
Brandon , Manitoba
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 54
Cleanup and reseal of roof fittings

I did a quick search and didn't find anything so please direct me to another if I've missed it.. I appear to have some leaks around the seams where my skylights attach to the roof. Previously they have been sealed with a band what can only be described as a silver metallic goo covering about an inch either side of the seam. It is still soft, looking like its not meant to set. It looks like its migrated away from the seams it's trying to seal.

My plan was to remove it and run polyurethane sealant around the seam. Has anyone come across this stuff before and know how to remove it? It's as sticky as heck and doesn't seem to want to let go. Alternatively would it work to try and warm it with a heat gun and try to push it back where it's supposed to go - this is not my favoured option since I figure if it's moved once it'll do it again...


Thanks in advance,
Rob.
L.D.Clara is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2012, 10:52 PM   #2
4 Rivet Member
 
Eric H's Avatar
 
1974 23' Safari
Vintage Kin Owner
1947 25' Spartan , Manor
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 457
Images: 9
Hi Rob,
the product you're looking for is TemPro.
TremPro 635

You can also use the silver gutter sealer: http://www.vintagetrailersupply.com/..._p/vts-138.htm
which is also great. I think the gutter seal is better for smaller cracks or things that need to look really good, but the tempro can be put on and built up (which is helpful on the roof).

The easiest way I found to reseal my skylights was to use a wire brush on a grinder or drill and wire brush it all off. This will scratch the aluminum but unless you're on top of the trailer you can't see it. The wire brush gets into the cracks and gets most of it out of there.

I would avoid the heat for several reasons, the main one being that there are wires most likely running in your ceiling which you could melt (along with other things). Heat does help with removing it, but I would just heat on a something where you knew what was behind it. The stuff stinks to high heaven when you heat it too.

You should tool the TemPro after you put a bead on.
Eric H is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2012, 05:58 AM   #3
Rivet Master
 
Ganglin's Avatar
 
1971 27' Overlander
Central , Ohio
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,365
Images: 13
What's on it is butyl tape. It's basically grunt work to get it off. Get a few 1" plastic paint scrapers and remove as much as you can with that. Then use mineral spirits, goof-off or Xylene to soften what remains. You'll have to soak it multiple times to get it all off.

Once you have it off - all the vent needs is a nice clean bead of sealant at the seam and a dab on each rivet head you will expose once you've removed the butyl. Mine had the same sealant and I'm not sure why they used so much butyl for such a small seam. Probably fast and cheap to apply is my best guess.....
Ganglin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2012, 06:54 AM   #4
4 Rivet Member
 
Eric H's Avatar
 
1974 23' Safari
Vintage Kin Owner
1947 25' Spartan , Manor
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 457
Images: 9
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganglin View Post
What's on it is butyl tape. It's basically grunt work to get it off. Get a few 1" plastic paint scrapers and remove as much as you can with that. Then use mineral spirits, goof-off or Xylene to soften what remains. You'll have to soak it multiple times to get it all off.

Once you have it off - all the vent needs is a nice clean bead of sealant at the seam and a dab on each rivet head you will expose once you've removed the butyl. Mine had the same sealant and I'm not sure why they used so much butyl for such a small seam. Probably fast and cheap to apply is my best guess.....
If you are not taking the entire skylight off to redo it you probably won't see the butyl tape, you will just be dealing with the grey stuff that sealed the seam.

If you do take it all the way off then the tape off with a wire brush. The tape is white, the soft grey stuff is the old version of TemPro.


If you do take the entire thing off to re do it the Butyl putty is available here: Butyl RV Putty Tape
Eric H is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2012, 10:22 PM   #5
2 Rivet Member
 
L.D.Clara's Avatar
 
2015 20' Flying Cloud
Brandon , Manitoba
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 54
Thanks everyone, I think I'll remove the grey goo and put some polyurethane sealant around it so it doesn't leak. Maybe I'll take the whole thing off at a later date, but for the moment not leaking will do...

I don't have any plastic scrapers, but I've been having some success with the silicone around and all over the windows using a lump of hard white maple planed to form a chisel.. And solvents are always good too..
L.D.Clara is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 06:23 AM   #6
4 Rivet Member
 
Eric H's Avatar
 
1974 23' Safari
Vintage Kin Owner
1947 25' Spartan , Manor
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 457
Images: 9
You can use a bit of heat to help as well, just don't overdo it since there may be wires right behind the skin...
Eric H is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-01-2012, 10:37 AM   #7
2 Rivet Member
 
L.D.Clara's Avatar
 
2015 20' Flying Cloud
Brandon , Manitoba
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 54
Well, I got it done. A whole day sat on top of an airstream in the burning sun. Heating it up wasn't an issue - not burning my ass, however, was..
If it helps anyone else the easiest way I found was my sharpened wooden stick to get the worst off, followed by the scraper, then solvent soaked rag. As far as I tested different solvents for cleanup I found methyl hydrate to be the best, though it does evaporate rather quickly at those temperatures..
Now I'm just waiting for it to rain so I can see if it works...
L.D.Clara is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-01-2012, 10:42 AM   #8
65th Anniversary CLIPPER
 
masseyfarm's Avatar
 
1996 36' Clipper Bus
Tub City , British Columbia
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 3,309
Images: 61
So what did you use to recaulk it with? Any pictures?
Have you any flooding there this year like last year this time?

Dave
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	IM009622.JPG
Views:	183
Size:	205.8 KB
ID:	162171  
masseyfarm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-01-2012, 10:48 AM   #9
Rivet Master
 
2006 22' International CCD
2007 Base Camp
Elk Valley , British Columbia
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 657
Methyl Hydrate is way under-rated... no smell, flashes off quickly, and is super cheap. Great for any prep-work.
Friday is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-01-2012, 11:46 PM   #10
2 Rivet Member
 
L.D.Clara's Avatar
 
2015 20' Flying Cloud
Brandon , Manitoba
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 54
Quote:
Originally Posted by masseyfarm
So what did you use to recaulk it with? Any pictures?
Have you any flooding there this year like last year this time?

Dave
Ahh yes, nice picture of Brandon's Corral Centre Lake. Thankfully we live the other side of town, and we're well away from all that. Nothing like that this year, the river was really low this spring because of the fact we had very little snow anywhere..
It's even more incredible when you see how big the dykes are now that they're high and dry and remember how close it came..

Back to the subject in hand, I recalled with DAP polyurethane sealant which, according to the tube is excellent for bonding to metals. It is also grey and readily available which is a big plus after all the fun I had trying to find Trempro. Seemed to work pretty well, no real test yet as the minute I sealed it it stopped raining...

I really should get some pictures up or something...
L.D.Clara is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-01-2012, 11:53 PM   #11
2 Rivet Member
 
L.D.Clara's Avatar
 
2015 20' Flying Cloud
Brandon , Manitoba
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 54
Quote:
Originally Posted by Friday
Methyl Hydrate is way under-rated... no smell, flashes off quickly, and is super cheap. Great for any prep-work.
I agree - it'll also keep your nail guns working at -40C. That just leaves the problem of keeping me working at -40C!

Really the flashing off is a huge benefit, use anything else and you're left with a jar of contaminated stuff that you have to find a safe and environmentally responsible way of getting rid of. So far the best I've come up with for the other stuff is a tin can with a rag in it and a match.... Who needs eyebrows anyway?
L.D.Clara is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2012, 09:14 AM   #12
1 Rivet Member
 
flyslinger's Avatar
 
2003 22' International
Morrison , Colorado
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 19
Images: 1
I have a small leak around one of the roof fans. I can see a small crack where the sealant has pulled away from the base of the unit.

Can I just clean up the crack and fill it with sealant?

If yes, what sealant is best?

If no, what should I do?

Also, I just bought this Airstream and this is my first time on the roof of any RV. It looks like all the vents and other roof-top units are sealed with a thick wad of sealant that appears to have been smeared on and piled up around all of the units. Is this normal? Was ths done at the factory or later?
flyslinger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2012, 02:04 AM   #13
2 Rivet Member
 
L.D.Clara's Avatar
 
2015 20' Flying Cloud
Brandon , Manitoba
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 54
Quote:
Originally Posted by flyslinger
I have a small leak around one of the roof fans. I can see a small crack where the sealant has pulledp away from the base of the unit.

Can I just clean up the crack and fill it with sealant?

If yes, what sealant is best?

If no, what should I do?

Also, I just bought this Airstream and this is my first time on the roof of any RV. It looks like all the vents and other roof-top units are sealed with a thick wad of sealant that appears to have been smeared on and piled up around all of the units. Is this normal? Was ths done at the factory or later?
If you mean that there's about a 2" band of sealant or the grey goo spanning over the joint and onto the roof then it's the same as mine. Its odd stuff, that feels solid if you just prod it, but under sustained pressure it will move. I'm beginning to think it's either original or at least an original type of sealant as I'm finding it everywhere on my '68.

If you just want to fill a small crack, I'm sure you could, but you'd have to find something that is compatible with the original stuff. Not even being sure what it was I cleaned as much of it off as I could and went around it with a big bead of polyurethane. Having said that I wasn't looking at a small crack, it was more like the Grand Canyon.

I'm sure others more experienced will be able to weigh in with a more detailed answer or recommendation - this is also the first time I've been on the roof of an RV or owned any RV come to that.
L.D.Clara is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2012, 04:23 AM   #14
"Cloudsplitter"

 
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas , Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 20,000
Images: 1
The only two I have experience with on the roof....

PPL on the black tank vent.

Sika on the skylight, both worked very well.

Loc-tite PPL roof/flashing...


Sikaflex UV 721


Bob
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	SOLAR PANELS; ROOF LEAK 011.jpg
Views:	177
Size:	619.9 KB
ID:	162683   Click image for larger version

Name:	SOLAR PANELS; ROOF LEAK 019.jpg
Views:	137
Size:	316.8 KB
ID:	162684  

Click image for larger version

Name:	SOLAR PANELS; ROOF LEAK 021.jpg
Views:	183
Size:	142.9 KB
ID:	162686  
Attached Images
 
__________________
I’m done with ‘adulting’…Let’s go find Bigfoot.
ROBERT CROSS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2012, 01:45 AM   #15
3 Rivet Member
 
cuyeda's Avatar
 
Vintage Kin Owner
Long Beach , California
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 151
If only the PL polyurethane roof flashing came in a gray color. I called tech support if this came in a gray color. The answer was no. There is a concrete crack and masonry gray, but it has a some sort of grit mixed in with it.

IMHO, I would use a blue painters tape around the edges before applying the caulking. Then use a rubber scraper used for caulking edges in the bathroom and kitchen applications. After excess caulking is removed and cured a little, remove the painters tape for a cleaner application.
__________________
1947 Curtis Wright
1958 Traveler 18'
cuyeda is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2012, 04:54 AM   #16
"Cloudsplitter"

 
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas , Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 20,000
Images: 1
Thumbs up In my experience......

............the Sika 721 UV is grey and will work as well as the PL.

note....there is a gasket between the BT vent flange and the roof.


Bob
ROBERT CROSS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2012, 09:08 AM   #17
3 Rivet Member
 
cuyeda's Avatar
 
Vintage Kin Owner
Long Beach , California
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 151
Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS View Post
............the Sika 721 UV is grey and will work as well as the PL.

note....there is a gasket between the BT vent flange and the roof.

Bob
Good point about the black gasket. I should have stated "if only it came in gray for sealing all other trim pieces without gaskets". I wish Sika was sold at the big box stores. :-)
__________________
1947 Curtis Wright
1958 Traveler 18'
cuyeda is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by the Airstream, Inc. or any of its affiliates. Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:08 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.