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Old 05-21-2015, 03:04 AM   #21
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Is this the Tailgater that people are referring to? DISH Tailgater Satellite Antenna - KING VQ2500 - Satellite Antennas - Camping World Do you put it outside to use it, but carry it in the aisle or under the table of the Airstream when traveling or otherwise not in use? While compact, it does seem like having yet another piece of loose equipment to deal with every day.
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Not for me. I have a port that normally is looped that I can hook into. This bypasses the antenna amplifier circuit which can interfere with the signal that has to pass between the dish and the receiver. Here's a picture of how I hook up inside. Different models and vintages of A/S have different methods in bypassing the antenna amplifier.

I connect my satellite receiver to the cable/satellite in port as shown in the picture. When I am using the antenna, the short jumper cable plugs into that same port and I get the signal from the coax output in the jack on the left.

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Jack - Do you use your Tailgater or other satellite dish inside the Airstream? Does it sit on top of your refrigerator cabinet, probably behind the television, when in use? (That is where the connections like you show in your photo are located in my Safari.)
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We have been considering a Winegard G2 antenna because it can be used with either service provider, can be used as a portable or mounted permanent on the Airstream, and it's small. Apparently it can only provide HD tv with Dish service provider though.

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The Winegard G2 seems pretty pricey: https://www.google.com/shopping/prod...&ved=0CJcBEL4k
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Has anyone with the Dish Tailgater found that you have to run the cable directly to the receiver instead of to the plugin outside the AS? I was told that there could be no connections in the line. Thanks!
If you have two ports outside-one for cable, one for satellite, my experience was that the coax had been switched when installed. Try connecting the Tailgater to the cable port and see if that gives you signal.
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Jack - Do you use your Tailgater or other satellite dish inside the Airstream? Does it sit on top of your refrigerator cabinet, probably behind the television, when in use? (That is where the connections like you show in your photo are located in my Safari.)

The way it works is the Tailgater unit is positioned outside the trailer in an area that has a clear view of the Dish satellites. From that unit I have a 50' cable that attaches to the Tailgater and connects to the coax connected that Airstream provides on the outside of my Classic. Inside my trailer next to my television which sits on top of my food storage cabinet I have the small Dish 211z receiver. It plugs into that jack on the wall as shown in my picture called cable/sat in. The 211z has RCA outputs or HDMI to plug into your television. I use the HDMI. I strongly recommend using the 211z receiver rather than the 211k because of the 211z's smaller size. I've attached a picture of the receiver when I originally tried out the receiver at home.Click image for larger version

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The Winegard G2 seems pretty pricey: https://www.google.com/shopping/prod...&ved=0CJcBEL4k

One review notes that this unit requires separate power which might be an issue. Check this out carefully. The Tailgater unit built by King antenna gets its power from the Dish receiver through the coax signal cable.

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I have had DirecTV since they were a start-up. I have a bunch of receivers at home, and opted to use it in my new Classic. For ease of operation, I elected to install a Winegard Trav'lr on the roof of the trailer. (Hauling a box outside and going through more wire laying and collecting on departure was just one more task.) I did put down the mounting plate first. The installation is not difficult at all, just takes time and a plan for running the two cables -- one for the TV, one for the box that operates the dish. Since I hooked the electrical into my inverter, the system operates in the boondocks. My main motivator for satellite TV was because off air is sketchy, depending on where I am, and I REALLY like being able to get favorite programs no matter where I'm camping -- especially news. With both Sirius/XM and DirecTV I can remain in touch with the "world." If I'm in a heavily treed campsite, DirecTV can be iffy.
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Jack - Do you use your Tailgater or other satellite dish inside the Airstream? Does it sit on top of your refrigerator cabinet, probably behind the television, when in use? (That is where the connections like you show in your photo are located in my Safari.)

The way it works is the Tailgater unit is positioned outside the trailer in an area that has a clear view of the Dish satellites. From that unit I have a 50' cable that attaches to the Tailgater and connects to the coax connected that Airstream provides on the outside of my Classic. Inside my trailer next to my television which sits on top of my food storage cabinet I have the small Dish 211z receiver. It plugs into that jack on the wall as shown in my picture called cable/sat in. The 211z has RCA outputs or HDMI to plug into your television. I use the HDMI. I strongly recommend using the 211z receiver rather than the 211k because of the 211z's smaller size. I've attached a picture of the receiver when I originally tried out the receiver at home.Attachment 238902. I also have a picture of the Tailgater unit. I was watching a baseball game at my storage location.

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I have had DirecTV since they were a start-up. I have a bunch of receivers at home, and opted to use it in my new Classic. For ease of operation, I elected to install a Winegard Trav'lr on the roof of the trailer. (Hauling a box outside and going through more wire laying and collecting on departure was just one more task.) I did put down the mounting plate first. The installation is not difficult at all, just takes time and a plan for running the two cables -- one for the TV, one for the box that operates the dish. Since I hooked the electrical into my inverter, the system operates in the boondocks. My main motivator for satellite TV was because off air is sketchy, depending on where I am, and I REALLY like being able to get favorite programs no matter where I'm camping -- especially news. With both Sirius/XM and DirecTV I can remain in touch with the "world." If I'm in a heavily treed campsite, DirecTV can be iffy.

Sounds like your experience with off air is much like mine. I went with the movable dish due to the cost, not wanting roof penetrations, and the ability to camp at most any site with the ability to adjust for tree cover. Hard to believe but every site where I have camped since getting the Tailgater would not have worked if I had a unit mounted on my trailer. I guess I just like wooded campgrounds...

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The G2 is more expensive since it can handle both DirecTv and Dish. An X1 Dish bundle like this Amazon.com: Winegard PA2000R Pathway X1 White Antenna/ViP 211Z Receiver Bundle: Automotive is less expensive as it just does DISH.

As mentioned earlier the big plus if you are sports junky is that DirecTv has the major sports leagues locked up so you won't get an NFL all games pass on DISH.

Downside with DirecTv is that HD with a small dome is not possible. Either a manually pointed tripod mounted dish, something like the Winegard Travel'r, or if you have the really really big AS or bus you can get something that is used on yachts from KVH, dome is about 25" in diameter and you can make phone calls. Of course their service costs are also out of this world.

I work from the AS and like to have national news on during the day. So DISH with an X1 at $7 for the service for the added box was an easy choice. And the wife still gets all of her stuff at home base.
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If you know the G2, does it require a separate power connection to the unit itself or can it get power through the receiver?

I know King sells a more expensive unit that has the same shape as the Tailgater that receives both Dish and Direct. It has the same restriction regarding not being able to deliver HD from Direct. I considered this unit just in case I decided to move to Direct in the future, but the lack of HD and a flirtation to Direct (which I cancelled prior to installation due to the fact that the salesperson misstated the service level that I would receive), made me stick with Dish.

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One of the things that is indispensable when using a portable satellite dish is the ability to find the satellites from your service provider. When dealing with trees and other obstacles, trying to place a portable unit is difficult. The biggest reason is that most services use multiple satellites to deliver programming. With a typical fixed dish, your installer aims the dish for you. Due to that fixed dish having a larger size and multiple LNBs, all of the required satellites can be "seen". With a portable unit that has the ability to aim itself, the actual dish moves to the proper satellite based on your channel selection. It's a remarkable piece of technology, but it has to be able to have a clear sky to see the satellites.

I use this piece of technology with either my iPhone or iPad. https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/satf...599997782?mt=8

It basically turns on your phone camera and superimposes the satellites on your screen relative to the view that your camera sees. All you need to do is identify the satellites that your service uses and mark those as your preferred satellites. Those are highlighted when you view the sky. At that point its just a matter of walking your campsite, pointing your phone or iPad to the southwest and looking for the area where the satellites are not being blocked by trees or other obstacles. If you see the superimposed satellites in trees, the location won't work. This really only takes minutes to do. https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/satf...599997782?mt=8

Here's a picture of my iPad pointed out the front door of my home. The bright green dots are the Dish satellites that my Tailgater needs to see clearly. In this case you will see a tree limb blocking one satellite. This means that some of the channels would be missing. If I were at a site, I'd walk a little to the left to get a view around that tree. At my home that would be the left side of my driveway.
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The G2 needs a separate power supply. It comes with a 50ft 12V power cord. So you need an accessible 12V source as well as hooking it up to the coax connection on the AS.

I had DirecTv for years. As I looked at the choices for the AS, deciding not to go with the Winegard Travel'r, I switched the home over to DISH and did the X1 for the AS.

And the app Jack mentions is the 'cats meow' when it comes to trying to dodge tree limbs.
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Considering the program content I am not sure either one is really worth the money. I currently have Dish but have found that the parks that offer cable is for the most part just as good and easier to deal with.
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One thing to keep in mind: The Winegard Trav'ler for Directv when mounted on the roof of the Airstream and deployed, is about 25" across and 14' off the ground. It is much bigger and much higher off the ground than an external Dish Tailgater.

This allows the Trav'ler antenna the ability to get a good signal even in bad weather or through moderate foliage. Personally I have never had foliage or weather prevent me from getting a satellite signal and I don't purposely park in barren spots. I have shade trees most of the time over the Airstream when I camp and the Trav'ler does just fine.

However the smaller Tailgater placed on the ground, while mobile, still is much more sensitive to foliage and weather.
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I have an app for my iPhone called "Dish for My RV". It shows the location of the satellites in the sky, which makes it easy to properly position the Tailgater where it is free from interference.
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One thing to keep in mind: The Winegard Trav'ler for Directv when mounted on the roof of the Airstream and deployed, is about 25" across and 14' off the ground. It is much bigger and much higher off the ground than an external Dish Tailgater.

This allows the Trav'ler antenna the ability to get a good signal even in bad weather or through moderate foliage. Personally I have never had foliage or weather prevent me from getting a satellite signal and I don't purposely park in barren spots. I have shade trees most of the time over the Airstream when I camp and the Trav'ler does just fine.

However the smaller Tailgater placed on the ground, while mobile, still is much more sensitive to foliage and weather.
I picked this answer up off the DBS satellite forum. It has a little more information regarding size of the dish and its effect on signal quality. It's a little more technical but this might be helpful.

"The role of antenna size in the REDUCTION OF interference and NOISE because it is that aspect that affects signal quality even in good weather conditions. It is NOT just about signal strength it is about SIGNAL to NOISE RATIO and the larger antenna REDUCES the amount of noise captured by the antenna, which means the signal to noise ratio is better, which means the Bit Error Ratio (BER) is better, which means the SIGNAL quality is better."

So bigger is better but in other posts I did read that there is a limit to size where the benefits derived were not worth the cost of the larger dish.

In my experience so far I have gotten good service level never yet experienced any weather related fades, unlike as my service at home. While I have been out in the rain, I tend to camp either during the drier times of the year, or more in the northern states where storms aren't quite as intense as we have here in St. Louis where rain fade isn't unusual. What's interesting is that my usual loss of service at home comes in advance of heavy rain (maybe 5 minutes before it hits). Not when it's actually pouring down at my home. Most of our heavy weather moves from southwest to northeast as it travels up frontal boundaries. It truly points out how concentrated those signals are as those storms cross into the satellite transmission signal beams.

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In my experience so far I have gotten good service level never yet experienced any weather related fades, unlike as my service at home. While I have been out in the rain, I tend to camp either during the drier times of the year, or more in the northern states where storms aren't quite as intense as we have here in St. Louis where rain fade isn't unusual.
A lot also depends on what bird is broadcasting your feed. Some of the older satellites are weaker and grow weaker the longer they are in use. The newer satellites output more power and provide better signal. Both Directv and Dish spread their programing over several satellites, so if the show you are watching is on a weak bird it will lose signal much more easily in poor weather.

Also the farther you are from the center of the US, the weaker the broadcast signal you will receive. This is because the signal is beamed in an oval pattern that covers the lower 48. The center is strongest and it is weaker on the outer fringes. I think Alaska is covered by a completely different set of satellites and is spot beamed for that state. Not sure about Hawaii.

Locals are spot beamed to their respective broadcast area.
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Thanks for the link to the app. It ends the guesswork. I tried to do it with a compass, but i still had to move the dish twice before i got signal

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Thanks for the link to the app. It ends the guesswork. I tried to do it with a compass, but i still had to move the dish twice before i got signal



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Al, if you have a Dish Tailgater it will only aim towards the western arc satellites. Those highlighted satellites in the picture I attached in my post are the 3 Dish network satellites that you need to look for. Dish also has eastern arc satellites but those normally used by folks with a non moveable dish who live east of the Mississippi. There is an overlap here in the Midwest where either set of satellites are acceptable for fixed dishes. Because the Tailgater is a western arc device, you would experience problems with reception in the New England region of the country due to the angle of the western arc satellites in the sky.

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