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Old 11-12-2006, 12:54 AM   #1
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Can LCD Monitor/TV Take a Freeze?

Has anyone been leaving their LCD monitor in their unheated Airstream in freezing temperatures and below? We took ours out but my friend is leaving hers in. Are we being too cautious? I would rather it was there ready for use.
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Old 11-12-2006, 06:42 AM   #2
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Curious question -- but worth asking!
http://hardware.mcse.ms/archive144-2005-10-247970.html
http://www.hdtvexpert.com/pages/flat_panel.htm
http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/in.../t-240672.html

These seem to say an LCD can be stored in cold but need to be at warmer temperatures to actually function. LCD displays in our cars, bike computers, and GPS are exposed to cold. I know that the LCD in my previous tow vehicle did not display below -10 degrees F. I don't know that I'd risk it with a more complex TV if it was easy to remove. Let somebody else do the experimenting -- and maybe we'll get answers from those that have. But the best answers will come from those also exposed to 10- and 20-below weather.
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Old 11-12-2006, 07:49 AM   #3
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Seems like the manufacturers have likely check this out and have documentation on their particular sets. There usually is a free 800 number for customer service in the documentation. I think you should call it because not all sets are designed the same.
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Carol, I leave a small oil filled heater on all winter in the 25' that I recently sold and now my new one. The kind that looks lake a small radiator.Completly sealed , no flame ,nothing to overheat and even in the coldest weather it never freezes.
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Error on the safe side, take it out.
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Greeting from New Ennland. I have never heard of needing to keep LCD screens from freezing. Very strange and I never would have thought of it. There is no "liquid" to freeze in the unit, it's electronic. We leave our in the unit with never a problem. I would be more concerned with disconnecting it, unbolting it, storing it and then reversing the process in the spring. Even the dealers up here leave all the parts in the AS during winter. So make your winterizing a little easier and leave your LCD right where it is.

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Old 11-12-2006, 10:00 AM   #7
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We leave both LCD units in our Airstream in sub-freezing conditions and to date have not experienced problems.
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Old 11-12-2006, 11:27 AM   #8
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Ours has been out in the cold for the past three winters....not a problem.
It gets to minus 20 around here.
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The maker of my Sharp says don't let it freeze, so I didn't.
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Old 11-12-2006, 08:45 PM   #10
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Greeting from New Ennland. I have never heard of needing to keep LCD screens from freezing. Very strange and I never would have thought of it. There is no "liquid" to freeze in the unit, it's electronic. We leave our in the unit with never a problem. I would be more concerned with disconnecting it, unbolting it, storing it and then reversing the process in the spring. Even the dealers up here leave all the parts in the AS during winter. So make your winterizing a little easier and leave your LCD right where it is.

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Hi, correct me if I'm wrong; LCD stands for "Liquid Crystal Display" Thus there is liquid involved.

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Old 11-12-2006, 08:57 PM   #11
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The instructions for our Sylvania LCD TV specifically don't say anything about it. They do say to avoid heat, but do not say to avoid cold.
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Hi, correct me if I'm wrong; LCD stands for "Liquid Crystal Display" Thus there is liquid involved.

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you aren't serious are ya bob?

the 'liquid' word refers to the liquidity of the display...as in fluid motion.

the crystals are suspended and behave in a fluid/liquid fashion rapidly changing orientation...

but there isn't any fluid in an lcd...good grief.

have ya check your blinker fluid lately?

anyway carol the sony manual states specifically what the operating temperature range is and what the safe storing temp is.....so just look it up.

i've routinely left mine in the trailer down to 10 degrees....

but operating temp is higher, so warm the trailer before using it....

a greater issue than the lcd is that at these very cold temps and very low humidity the goop that holds all the circuits together will dry out and retract....

so really really cold isn't good for long shelf life...

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also i forget to mention the wega sony we've got has been discontinued? like all electronics models move on...

sony does have some models in the 'bravia' line that with wider operating ranges ....like minus 15 degrees F up to 185 degrees F...

i'm not watching tv at these temperatures regardless...
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you aren't serious are ya bob?

the 'liquid' word refers to the liquidity of the display...as in fluid motion.

the crystals are suspended and behave in a fluid/liquid fashion rapidly changing orientation...

but there isn't any fluid in an lcd...good grief.

have ya check your blinker fluid lately?
Easy 2air, not having knowlege about some technical area is no crime....is it?
Checked your blinker fluid? You usually write good posts, but you may be off on this one.
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Old 11-12-2006, 09:22 PM   #14
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Hi, No 2air I didn't know; That's why I said "correct me if I'm wrong." No I have not checked my blinker fluid! Have you ever repaired Sure Track Brakes? Or have you ever worked on Hydrolic Wiper motors? Have you ever used Friction Modifier? Do you know what very common part used on vertually every American car dateing clear back into the fifties has a metric measurement?

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Checked your blinker fluid?
hi fyrzowt...

bob is an automotive guy...

it is a regular running joke on many auto forums to check your blinker fluid...

it's a joke.

he can take it...

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hi fyrzowt...

bob is an automotive guy...

it is a regular running joke on many auto forums to check your blinker fluid...

it's a joke.

he can take it...

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OK, I'll butt out, carry on.....
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Do you know what very common part used on vertually every American car dateing clear back into the fifties has a metric measurement?

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hi bob

i didn't know this, don't know why and i'm dying to find out why...

have they been sneeking foreign parts in'em longer than we realized?

has some guy named 'metric' been building em?

come on now share!

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oh and i did once have the polarity of my wiper blades reversed, and they worked much better!
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hi bob

i didn't know this, don't know why and i'm dying to find out why...

have they been sneeking foreign parts in'em longer than we realized?

has some guy named 'metric' been building em?

come on now share!

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Hi, And the answer is: "SPARK PLUGS" commonly in 14mm or 18mm in thread size. Controversy on who the inventer really was, but in Europe. Oliver Lodge, inventer of the sparking system and manufacturer of sparking plugs. And engineer Gottlob Honold, while under the employment of Robert Bosch invented a magnito system with spark plugs.

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Old 11-13-2006, 10:58 AM   #19
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Thanks for all your responses, info and experiences. I really appreciate having a resource like this forum and people willing to take their time to address questions and concerns as we ponder them. Having such an active and broad and responsive support group such as this is truly amazing.

Thanks for those links Bob. They were great.

Dwight, and Jimmickle, and overlander63, I will go look up my documentation today.

Jack I like that idea about keeping the interior from freezing, especially since I do like to go inside the AS frequently throughout our long winter.

Chaplain Kent you are a man after my husband's own heart. This is a mainstay of his philosophies and what makes him the most comfortable.

rickandsandi, thanks for your experience, your New England winter has to be much more severe than ours where we are in Michigan. It's good to know if I leave it outside and forget to have hubby drag it back in, it'll still be working when it warms back up. You, zoominc6, and antique peddler have given me peace of mind on that, thanks.

Robertsunrus thanks for outing 2air to give us a more technical anwer about our LCDs, because I surely didn't know it wasn't liquid and now I know too.Thanks 2Air, your posts often give me lots of background on things that I would not otherwise have.

Last but in no way least fyrzowt, I like that we have members with congeniality and have no fear speaking up for another. I myself hate seeing someone called out for a mistake, cuz I make lots of them. I'm hoping 2air and Robertsunrus have some rib fest going on.

Thanks all!!!
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LCD does have a liquid in them

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Checked your blinker fluid? You usually write good posts, but you may be off on this one.
Short for liquid crystal display, a type of display used in digital watches and many portable computers. LCD displays utilize two sheets of polarizing material with a liquid crystal solution between them. An electric current passed through the liquid causes the crystals to align so that light cannot pass through them. Each crystal, therefore, is like a shutter, either allowing light to pass through or blocking the light.
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