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03-31-2015, 08:27 AM
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Rivet Master
2006 23' Safari SE
I'm In
, Kentucky
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 4,251
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Originally Posted by lewster
Be careful when buying a 'marine deep cycle' battery. These are essentially hybrids and are not true deep cycle units, as they are called on to perform double duty as a marine engine starter AND a deep cycle for lights, nav. equipment, etc.
Look for a true DEEP CYCLE battery for RV use.
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Agreed, and good advice. You don't want the starter/trolling combo batteries.
Deka marine deep cycle / RV batteries are true deep cycle.
East Penn Manufacturing | Recreational vehicle batteries
I suggest the Deka deep cycle marine/RV because the OP didn't spend a lot of time dry camping. He was looking for a good second choice. The Deka marine deep cycle takes a lot of punishment. When you're bass fishing you use the trolling motor a lot and bring the battery level down pretty far, day after day. They are less costly and available through Lowes.
Deka also makes an AGM but if you're going that route I'd get the Lifeline or Trojan brand. I opted for Lifeline and have been pleased.
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Rich & Yvonne
2006 Safari SE -Dora-
2004 4Runner SE 4.7L V8
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04-01-2015, 11:47 AM
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#22
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3 Rivet Member
2004 25' Safari
Crestview
, Florida
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 162
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New batteries
I replaced my converter/charger with the PD4655 with the charge wizard appx. $230.00 and batteries with 2 6 volt deep cycle wet cell batteries $300.00. So for less than the $555.00 for the diehards I now have a much better system than original system from AS very happy keeps batteries charged and in line within battery requirements from battery maker. I also put together a small 180 watt portable solar system two panels $300.00 morningstar charge controller about $60.00 and about $75.00 wires and connectors. I'm able to park AS in shade and place panels in the sun away from camper. With this system I'm able to stay out until the water runs out or the waste tanks fill. Rand
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04-01-2015, 01:53 PM
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#23
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4 Rivet Member
Commercial Member
2009 30' Classic
Melbourne, FL
, Searsport, ME
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 309
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I replaced my converter/charger with the PD4655 with the charge wizard appx. $230.00 and batteries with 2 6 volt deep cycle wet cell batteries $300.00. So for less than the $555.00 for the diehards I now have a much better system than original system from AS very happy keeps batteries charged and in line within battery requirements from battery maker. I also put together a small 180 watt portable solar system two panels $300.00 morningstar charge controller about $60.00 and about $75.00 wires and connectors. I'm able to park AS in shade and place panels in the sun away from camper. With this system I'm able to stay out until the water runs out or the waste tanks fill. Rand
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Sounds like you've made some nice improvements.
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04-01-2015, 03:06 PM
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Rivet Master
2006 23' Safari SE
I'm In
, Kentucky
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 4,251
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Wow! I just started reading at #1 and never noticed the thread dates back to 2009. These old ones should be closed, accessible as read-only, but closed.
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Rich & Yvonne
2006 Safari SE -Dora-
2004 4Runner SE 4.7L V8
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04-01-2015, 04:59 PM
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Rivet Master
1969 25' Tradewind
Shasta Lake
, California
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,041
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Quote:
Originally Posted by richw46
Wow! I just started reading at #1 and never noticed the thread dates back to 2009. These old ones should be closed, accessible as read-only, but closed.
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Why ? The info is still good and new people seem to join in on them.
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04-01-2015, 05:17 PM
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Rivet Master
2012 27' Flying Cloud
W
, New England
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 7,402
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Quote:
Originally Posted by richw46
Wow! I just started reading at #1 and never noticed the thread dates back to 2009. These old ones should be closed, accessible as read-only, but closed.
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My reply #17 explained the dilemma - there are literally hundreds of battery threads - many of which are similar and I didn't want to open a new one - so I had to pick an old one ...
Thanks for the info, gang. I went with the version the local RV dealer had in stock (similar stats to the original Interstate group 24s I replaced).
When we retire, I'm calling Lewster to discuss something completely different :-)
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04-02-2015, 07:45 AM
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Rivet Master
2006 23' Safari SE
I'm In
, Kentucky
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 4,251
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[QUOTE=SteveSueMac;1601462]My reply #17 explained the dilemma - there are literally hundreds of battery threads - many of which are similar and I didn't want to open a new one - so I had to pick an old one ...
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I should have noticed since I started at #1. Sometimes I get distracted and forget to check the dates. I must have missed your #17 but I did see it after I posted my reply.
My mistake, not yours.
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Rich & Yvonne
2006 Safari SE -Dora-
2004 4Runner SE 4.7L V8
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04-02-2015, 08:22 AM
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Regular Guy
1978 31' Sovereign
Hot Springs
, Arkansas
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 603
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Buy a MADE IN TEXAS Interstate green top RV Deep Cycle battery! You wont be disappointed. The store branded batteries are not made to last. They are "cheaper" because they are built that way. Interstate backs up their goods with the best and easiest warranty replacement, period.
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04-02-2015, 11:17 AM
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Rivet Master
Commercial Member
Vintage Kin Owner
Naples
, Florida
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 7,508
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Interesting that I replace more Interstates due to premature failure than any other brand.
Just sayin'..............
Lew Farber
RVIA/RVDA Nationally Certified Master Tech
Master Tech Energy Systems, Inc.
AM Solar Certified Installation Center
Lifeline Batteries**Magnum Inverters
541-490-6357
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Solar Tech Energy Systems, Inc.
Victron Solar Components and Inverters, Zamp Solar Panels, LiFeBlue and Battle Born Lithium Batteries, Lifeline AGM Batteries
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04-02-2015, 11:49 AM
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Master of Universe
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Grand Junction
, Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 12,711
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Lew got us Lifelines several years ago and we have had no problems. But Steve' seems to want a temporary fix. If you go out a lot even though it is weekends, maybe investing in better batteries is a good idea. Do you take longer trips once a year too? How long before you retire and can travel more? Will cheap or mediocre batteries last that long? Are you going to upgrade your converter so that you don't overcharge your batteries, no matter which kind you have?
If you are boondocking, it seems better batteries are worth it, but maybe you have a generator to recharge them every day. Depending on your circumstances, the answer may differ.
Gene
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The Airstream is sold; a 2016 Nash 24M replaced it.
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04-02-2015, 12:00 PM
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Rivet Master
2014 25' FB International
2007 20' Safari SE
2005 19' Safari
Qualicum Beach
, British Columbia
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,096
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lewster
Interesting that I replace more Interstates due to premature failure than any other brand.
Just sayin'..............
Lew Farber
RVIA/RVDA Nationally Certified Master Tech
Master Tech Energy Systems, Inc.
AM Solar Certified Installation Center
Lifeline Batteries**Magnum Inverters
541-490-6357
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Probably because they are in trailers with inferior standard chargers that spend most of their life plugged in at RV sites or used once or twice a year and not properly maintained.
My first set lasted 7 years in a Bigfoot, my second in my last A/S were still going strong after 5 years.
My only complaint so far is the low capacity which I will rectify when these one die. But! I know how to maintain them.
George
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04-02-2015, 12:31 PM
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#32
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Rivet Master
2017 28' Flying Cloud
2014 25' FB Flying Cloud
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Georgetown (winter)Thayne (summer)
, Texas & Wyoming
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 6,687
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gandttimes
Probably because they are in trailers with inferior standard chargers that spend most of their life plugged in at RV sites or used once or twice a year and not properly maintained.
My first set lasted 7 years in a Bigfoot, my second in my last A/S were still going strong after 5 years.
My only complaint so far is the low capacity which I will rectify when these one die. But! I know how to maintain them.
George
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My factory Interstate's failed within 6 months and would not hold a charge. Interstate dealer gave me choice of free replacement or credit; I took credit toward AGM's. Very happy so far.
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04-02-2015, 02:14 PM
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Rivet Master
2014 25' FB International
2007 20' Safari SE
2005 19' Safari
Qualicum Beach
, British Columbia
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,096
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I will amend my last statement regarding my Interstates to say that like you, my original interstates in my 2014 required 2ltrs of top up in the first 6 months, but the replacements have been behaving well for over a year.
I wonder, as there have been a number of 2014's reporting bad batteries, if A/S got some bad ones?
These were the first ones since 1997 that had given me grief.
George
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04-02-2015, 02:49 PM
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Rivet Master
2014 25' FB International
Little Rock
, Arkansas
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 594
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I don't know if this is true or not, but I was told by a dealer that most RVs don't come with batteries. The dealers add the batteries on the lot. Airstream does install batteries at the factory. Well… The dealers don't keep those airstream batteries charged.
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04-02-2015, 02:50 PM
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Rivet Master
2014 25' FB International
Little Rock
, Arkansas
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 594
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That posted before I was finished. Anyway I suspect a majority of the airstream batteries are damaged before they are ever purchased.
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04-02-2015, 05:20 PM
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Rivet Master
2012 27' Flying Cloud
W
, New England
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 7,402
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[QUOTE=richw46;1601629]
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveSueMac
My reply #17 explained the dilemma - there are literally hundreds of battery threads - many of which are similar and I didn't want to open a new one - so I had to pick an old one ...
QUOTE]
I should have noticed since I started at #1. Sometimes I get distracted and forget to check the dates. I must have missed your #17 but I did see it after I posted my reply.
My mistake, not yours.
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No biggie at all! :-)
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04-02-2015, 05:28 PM
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#37
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Rivet Master
2012 27' Flying Cloud
W
, New England
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 7,402
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gene
Lew got us Lifelines several years ago and we have had no problems. But Steve' seems to want a temporary fix. If you go out a lot even though it is weekends, maybe investing in better batteries is a good idea. Do you take longer trips once a year too? How long before you retire and can travel more? Will cheap or mediocre batteries last that long? Are you going to upgrade your converter so that you don't overcharge your batteries, no matter which kind you have?
If you are boondocking, it seems better batteries are worth it, but maybe you have a generator to recharge them every day. Depending on your circumstances, the answer may differ.
Gene
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I bought my 2012 off the lot and picked it up in 2013. It was manufactured in Oct 2011. The batteries were in it when I first saw it in 2012 and I assume came with the trailer when made in 2011. No doubt they weren't cared for until I took the trailer home. So 18 months just sitting there and 2 years of use - I wasn't expecting miracles. :-)
I checked the water every other week - only had to add a few times in 2 years but there came a point where they just wouldn't keep a charge anymore.
With the replacements, I expect to maintain properly, keep on a trickle charger during the winter and get 4-5 years out of them - at which point, I won't quite be ready for retirement but I'll be ready to think about a complete electrical, solar and battery upgrade - gonna have to head to FL to convince Lewster to hook me up :-)
Next week - 2015 first camping trip. It's finally here! AAAAAAHHHH!!!! :-)
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04-02-2015, 07:36 PM
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#38
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Rivet Master
Commercial Member
Vintage Kin Owner
Naples
, Florida
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 7,508
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveSueMac
I bought my 2012 off the lot and picked it up in 2013. It was manufactured in Oct 2011. The batteries were in it when I first saw it in 2012 and I assume came with the trailer when made in 2011. No doubt they weren't cared for until I took the trailer home. So 18 months just sitting there and 2 years of use - I wasn't expecting miracles. :-)
I checked the water every other week - only had to add a few times in 2 years but there came a point where they just wouldn't keep a charge anymore.
With the replacements, I expect to maintain properly, keep on a trickle charger during the winter and get 4-5 years out of them - at which point, I won't quite be ready for retirement but I'll be ready to think about a complete electrical, solar and battery upgrade - gonna have to head to FL to convince Lewster to hook me up :-)
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That won't be very difficult.............I'm easy!!!
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Solar Tech Energy Systems, Inc.
Victron Solar Components and Inverters, Zamp Solar Panels, LiFeBlue and Battle Born Lithium Batteries, Lifeline AGM Batteries
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04-02-2015, 07:49 PM
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Rivet Master
2012 27' Flying Cloud
W
, New England
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 7,402
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The difficult part is convincing you to come to CT! :-)
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04-02-2015, 08:07 PM
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Rivet Master
Commercial Member
Vintage Kin Owner
Naples
, Florida
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 7,508
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveSueMac
The difficult part is convincing you to come to CT! :-)
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True! THAT will be difficult!!!
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Solar Tech Energy Systems, Inc.
Victron Solar Components and Inverters, Zamp Solar Panels, LiFeBlue and Battle Born Lithium Batteries, Lifeline AGM Batteries
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