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Old 05-28-2018, 03:27 PM   #1
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Need a bigger inverter in 19' International

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We have a 2008 International 19' Airstream with a 600 watt (WF-600T) inverter. I'd like to upgrade it to 1,000 watts but can't find one that will fit in the space occupied by the 600 WFCO inverter without some changes. Maybe I just have to bite the bullet and move some stuff around, but it's pretty tight now.

Has anyone mounted a 1000 watt inverter in the same spot (road side front corner under the dinette seat) as the original 600w? If so, what brand and model? BTW, it's to the right in the picture.

Any other options for locations? I don't think I want it exposed under the dinette table.

Thanks in advance,


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Old 05-28-2018, 10:10 PM   #2
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The Xantrax proWatt 1000 is about the same size of the WFCO one, a little under 12" x 8" x 4"
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What the hell is that rats nest? Is that the factory wiring job? Shameful! I would have that cleaned up before sticking something else in that mess.
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What...is that rats nest? Is that the factory wiring job? Shameful! I would have that cleaned up before sticking something else in that mess.
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Looks fairly typical of what comes out of the factory, so I’d say, “Yes.”

Have you looked at the factory-installed wiring in your own trailer?
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Need a bigger inverter in 19' International

(Grin) I’m afraid to. It would trigger my ‘neatness’ OCD for sure...then I’d spend forever sorting it out...
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What the hell is that rats nest? Is that the factory wiring job? Shameful! I would have that cleaned up before sticking something else in that mess.
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(Grin) I’m afraid to. It would trigger my ‘neatness’ OCD for sure...then I’d spend forever sorting it out...
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Translation...the factory makes no changes and the customer makes all the improvements. 😟

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Old 05-29-2018, 05:22 AM   #7
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Yes Airstream factory wiring is shameful! We too had the 600 watt factory installed inverter in our 16’ Bambi. It failed and the larger 1000 watt unit was swapped. It really did not fit and it was not big enough for our needs so in the end I just installed my own. By the way, the wiring to the battery to power the inverter is at best sized for a 600 watt unit. The larger inverter will need a wiring upgrade.

Here is a picture of my final inverter “upgrade”. It is a 2000 watt unit that will actually power a coffee maker!

The next picture is of a heater control board I just wired on our boat. The heater installation took about 3 weeks to finish and I am proud and delighted with the results... Airstream should take note of what wiring should look like...
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Good wiring counts

Thank you for doing such a great job wiring your 16 and boat. I am not the only one that appreciates a job well done. I hope you also included wire labels along with a wiring diagram for that next time you need to do some maintenance or repairs. It pays off many times when you have forgotten what you did 3 years ago. Thanks for posting what a finished job should look like. Keep up the good work...


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Thank you Bob and Bruce! Before I retired, I worked in the spacecraft world. If I allowed wiring like that I could have been retired earlier. YIKES!!
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Can’t help with the space problem, but a heads-up. I recently replaced the 600 with a 1000 watt inverter (from AS) on our 23D. A 1000 watt unit still won’t run very much, such as very small space heaters, or a single serve Keurig, or a hair dryer.
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Old 05-29-2018, 05:43 PM   #11
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What the hell is that rats nest? Is that the factory wiring job? Shameful! I would have that cleaned up before sticking something else in that mess.
Neatness counts and costs nothing but a slice of time!
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Shameful? It's either the factory or the previous owner. I won't take credit for it; I've had the trailer 5 weeks. I've upgraded the converter/charger last weekend and felt like I did a reasonable job of wiring (pic below), but I'm just a beginner here trying to learn how to improve my new (to me) trailer. I haven't "stuck something else in that mess" yet, but plan to do some rearranging when I upgrade the inverter and solar controller.

Thanks for the help.
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BTW, if you think that's a rat's nest, you haven't looked behind the Sony head unit in the locker above the dinette. Ask wulfraat.
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Old 05-29-2018, 05:45 PM   #12
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The Xantrax proWatt 1000 is about the same size of the WFCO one, a little under 12" x 8" x 4"

Snowy, thanks for the pointer; I'll take a look at it. I've been looking at the Victron Phoenix inverters; seem to be small enough and a reputable company. Any thoughts on those?

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Can’t help with the space problem, but a heads-up. I recently replaced the 600 with a 1000 watt inverter (from AS) on our 23D. A 1000 watt unit still won’t run very much, such as very small space heaters, or a single serve Keurig, or a hair dryer.

Funny you should mention the Keurig; that's the main driver here for me here. We bought a Keurig mini and it's listed as drawing 700 watts. Are you saying it won't run it, or won't run much other than those listed?

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Yes Airstream factory wiring is shameful! We too had the 600 watt factory installed inverter in our 16’ Bambi. It failed and the larger 1000 watt unit was swapped. It really did not fit and it was not big enough for our needs so in the end I just installed my own. By the way, the wiring to the battery to power the inverter is at best sized for a 600 watt unit. The larger inverter will need a wiring upgrade.

Here is a picture of my final inverter “upgrade”. It is a 2000 watt unit that will actually power a coffee maker!
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Bruce,

Thanks for the heads up on the wiring; once I chose and inverter I was going to check that. My inverter is in front near the batteries so shouldn't have a lot of drop. Not sure what's there now. Like I said, just diving into this.

Thanks,

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It would not run our single serve Keurig, we ended up purchasing a “Chulux “ brand single serve on Amazon, which works fine and actually takes up less space. Works with all K cups.
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Funny you should mention the Keurig; that's the main driver here for me here. We bought a Keurig mini and it's listed as drawing 700 watts. Are you saying it won't run it, or won't run much other than those listed?

Thanks,

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It wouldn’t run our single serve Keurig which drew over 1000 watts (I wasn’t smart enough to check this before spending the $$ on the 1000 watt inverter). We bought a “Chulux” brand coffee maker on Amazon that works just fine with all K cups. Haven’t yet found a small space heater that draws under 1000 that I consider to be constructed safe enough.
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I'm thinking it's probably simpler to just run the propane heat than it would be to try to run an AC-powered electric space heater off the batteries, no matter how big your inverter is. (We have a 3,000 watt inverter and 400 AH of batteries, but even so we would not run a space heater off those batteries.)
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It wouldn’t run our single serve Keurig which drew over 1000 watts (I wasn’t smart enough to check this before spending the $$ on the 1000 watt inverter). We bought a “Chulux” brand coffee maker on Amazon that works just fine with all K cups. Haven’t yet found a small space heater that draws under 1000 that I consider to be constructed safe enough.
Well now I can't find where I read the Keurig K-Mini draws 700 watts. Could have sworn that, but when I look on the bottom it says 1425 watts. Hmm. I'll check out the Chulux. Or maybe figure out a different to brew coffee. We love French press coffee but it isn't as quick and easy as the Keurig.

Thanks for the heads up. And for a space heater we're looking at a catalytic space heater, not electric.

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The French Press won’t fill the world with little plastic cups that last for millennia after only one use of each cup.

C’mon, folks, get a grip. Why destroy the world you’re trying to enjoy, when it’s so easy to get far better coffee in an abundance of other ways? French press. Aeropress. Percolator. Chemex. Bialetti. Pour-over. The list of other, far better, and less destructive ways to make coffee in your trailer is quite long. Nearly every one takes up less room in your Airstream than a Keurig, and not one of them needs an inverter.
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Not only that, but you have to drink what the little plastic cup makes.
I prefer a little more control...👍

Keurig is for the waiting room.😂
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