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Old 05-16-2018, 07:32 AM   #1
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Please post pictures of your solar installations, panels, controllers, layout with screen shots of your output monitors and a description of your system on this thread so we all can learn from prior installations.

I just self-installed a set of four AM Solar SP100 panels with mounts, a Victron 100/30 SmartSolar controller and a Victron Smart Battery Sense. These components were installed in a series-parallel configuration using the factory pre-wire and Zamp rooftop box on a 2017 FC25FB. 28' of AM Solar 10/2 was used on the roof, the Zamp rooftop box, and the factory 10 gauge to a switch and then on to the controller. 2' of 6 awg was used to connect the controller to a breaker and then on to the positive and negative buses inside the Airstream . A Victron Battery Smartsense was connected to the battery terminals to report battery voltage and temperature to the controller over Bluetooth. My plan is to test this configuration over the summer while traveling across the U.S. from east-to-west and north-to-south and post my results (good, bad, or ugly) on this thread. If the this configuration performs unsatisfactory, it can easily be reconfigured into a full parallel setup with an additional 30' of 10/2, a rooftop combiner box and 30' of 6 awg.

Here are pictures of my installation and screen shots of its performance monitor for the first four days of use. The first day the controller was installed without the PV. The second day the PV was powered up late in the day so its was bulk charge until dark. The third day the system completed topping off the battery without any usage. On the fourth day the PV was turned off, the battery was drained to 12.17V under load, then the PV was turned on at noon on a perfectly sunny Florida day to achieve 357 watts of peak PV and 23.9 amps of battery charging.
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More results on mostly cloudy day

Today is a rare mostly cloudy day in Tampa Florida. So I wanted to see how the solar performs in clouds. You can see a picture of the cloud conditions and then a picture of the output from my 400W solar system. Under full cloud in shadowless light, the system had 73 watts of PV and 5.5 amps of charging. Then when the sun came out of the clouds, the system peaked at 409 watts of PV and 30.1A of charging.

To obtain these results, I turned on the overhead lights, inverter, two tvs, radio, tv antenna, bathroom and shower fans, two fantastic fans and rangehood fan on the battery that was resting in float mode. So I learned you don't need to drain the battery to test solar output, you just need to crank up the amp load by turning everything on.

Here is the picture of the results:
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Shading results

Today is a hazy sunny day in Tampa Florida and the best day to test partial shading on my series-parallel configuration before leaving on the cross-country trip. It was 10:30 am when conducting this test in my driveway, under the same tree as the installation pictures in the first post of this thread.

Shading one panel of the four dropped the wattage from 279W to 165W and the battery charging amps from 21.4A to 12.8A. Doing this same test out on the street where one or two panels in the same series could be shaded produced the following results: full sun 250W/18.5A, one panel shaded 179W/13.3A, two panels shaded 158W/12.3A. Since those pictures had significant glare and similar results, I didn't post them. In full shade the wattage dropped to 22W and the charging amps dropped to 1.6A. Note to self: better to park in the sun than in the shade!

I look forward to posts of your solar installations with output results under varying conditions so we can all learn from each-others configurations.
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It's 5:15 pm in Tampa FL with three panels in full shadow and one in full sun for this time of day. Output is 30 Watts with 2.2 Amps of battery charging.
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I recently replaced my old factory solar controller with an Victron smart solar along with the BMC-712 monitor. I haven’t had it out of the storage facility to start recording readings. What numbers should I be seeing in full sun? Depends on the panels right? I have the one 55 watt panel.
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I believe switching out the controller to a Victron will improve your results. If you didn't upgrade the output wires to your positive and negative bus bars, I would replace that section of wire with 6 awg and put in an ANL fuse, or a breaker, one size larger than the amperage of your Victron controller. With these improvements, I would expect to get 55 Watts and 5 Amps of battery charging in the bright Texas sun.

Let us know if this upgrade improved your results. It definitely sets your system up for additional panels. I don't know anything about mismatched panels if you are thinking along those lines.
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this is my setup with the same system parts except the solar panel.

i am waiting for a good a sunny day to install the solar on the roof

this is my 160W panel
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Complete 100% grey-day overcast today on the Oregon coast. I was only getting 400 watts output



Full write-up for our “kill it with capacity” 800watt, 600ah ‘Victron Stack’ install to follow ......
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Complete 100% grey-day overcast today on the Oregon coast. I was only getting 400 watts output



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Why did you get both the Victron CCGX and the Multi-Control? Is there something that both combined offers that the CCGX can not do?
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I believe switching out the controller to a Victron will improve your results. If you didn't upgrade the output wires to your positive and negative bus bars, I would replace that section of wire with 6 awg and put in an ANL fuse, or a breaker, one size larger than the amperage of your Victron controller. With these improvements, I would expect to get 55 Watts and 5 Amps of battery charging in the bright Texas sun.

Let us know if this upgrade improved your results. It definitely sets your system up for additional panels. I don't know anything about mismatched panels if you are thinking along those lines.
I didn't, just reused existing wiring. i'll keep your suggestion in mind. Installing 200 Watt panels within the next two months. I'll fine tune from there.

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Why did you get both the Victron CCGX and the Multi-Control? Is there something that both combined offers that the CCGX can not do?


Setting the shore power current limit is much faster with the multi-control as it has a simple dial (I have a small honda genset and provides some but not all the AC amps needed when running the AC, microwave, etc at the same time), so I leverage the multi-plus power assist feature.

Also the remote on/off/charge only switch on the multi-control is much more convenient than raising the bed and using the switch on the multi-plus itself.

Power assist on the multiplus is a wonderful thing

The CCGX is the most convenient way to view system inputs and outputs, and with the WiFi dongle you can leverage VRM portal for online access.
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Setting the shore power current limit is much faster with the multi-control as it has a simple dial (I have a small honda genset and provides some but not all the AC amps needed when running the AC, microwave, etc at the same time), so I leverage the multi-plus power assist feature.

Also the remote on/off/charge only switch on the multi-control is much more convenient than raising the bed and using the switch on the multi-plus itself.

Power assist on the multiplus is a wonderful thing


Ok. Just making sure I wasn’t missing something. I have the CCGX only and use it to remotely switch the multiplus on/off/charge only and can set the current limit but its a couple clicks away.

How often do you change the current limit and how do you use it? Let’s say you are using the Honda EU200, would you set the current limit to 15 amp and if you needed to pull 20 amps it pulls 5 amps from battery?
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Nice! As the charter member of the "overkill engineering" mindset, that looks really great, tidy, and obviously is very efficient. No more than a few square inches of roof going to waste!
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Ok. Just making sure I wasn’t missing something. I have the CCGX only and use it to remotely switch the multiplus on/off/charge only and can set the current limit but its a couple clicks away.

How often do you change the current limit and how do you use it? Let’s say you are using the Honda EU200, would you set the current limit to 15 amp and if you needed to pull 20 amps it pulls 5 amps from battery?

Correct oh can do that with the ccgx... maybe in the end I didn’t really need the secondhand multi-plus controller but holes were being drilled in the wall anyways

I’ll run the genset at 13 or 14 amps... typically depending on altitude. I don’t like to run the Honda at 16 amps as it’s hard on the coil pack.

You are correct with the 15+5 approach... have a lot of AC “stuff” TV, WiFi network, hot water kettle, electric grille, sonic ice maker, microwave, front AC, computers.. I only use the propane Honda 2000 genset if we need to run the AC all day... otherwise I’ll just pull from the relatively massive battery bank and solar array.

If we are on 20amp shore power service I’ll run the electric hot water heater on L2 leaving another 8-10 available amps on L1 for the multi plus to make use of.

This is a new install so I’m still getting acclimatized. Basically it’s hard to put a dent in battery % with DC stuff which was the goal from a design perspective. I keep the batts at 90% max to support longevity... need these puppies to run for the next 10+ years
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Nice installation pictures and output results, keep them coming!

On Thursday I did my first real night of casino boondocking at Harrah's in Biloxi MS. Ran fantastic fans from dusk to dawn, a few lights, water pump for two showers plus other functions. Battery monitor stated 12.26 minimum voltage. Charged in partly cloudy condition on way to Dallas TX. Bulk charged for 6.5 hours absorbtion for 3 hours and floated for 5 hours. Max Watts was 303. All of this charging was while driving, so the truck was also adding about 10 Amps.

Today in Dallas TX. Boondocking at a friend's house. Was charging 1 amp at 7:15 am in full shade. Battery only run down to 12.54. Max solar by 11am was 304 Watts with 21 amps of battery charging. Today's charging will be all solar as we will be here all memorial day weekend.

It's great to test my system with real usage on the road. My initial reaction is that it is meeting my needs. We shall see as the trip progresses and we get into more tree shade.
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Correct oh can do that with the ccgx... maybe in the end I didn’t really need the secondhand multi-plus controller but holes were being drilled in the wall anyways

I’ll run the genset at 13 or 14 amps... typically depending on altitude. I don’t like to run the Honda at 16 amps as it’s hard on the coil pack.

You are correct with the 15+5 approach... have a lot of AC “stuff” TV, WiFi network, hot water kettle, electric grille, sonic ice maker, microwave, front AC, computers.. I only use the propane Honda 2000 genset if we need to run the AC all day... otherwise I’ll just pull from the relatively massive battery bank and solar array.

If we are on 20amp shore power service I’ll run the electric hot water heater on L2 leaving another 8-10 available amps on L1 for the multi plus to make use of.

This is a new install so I’m still getting acclimatized. Basically it’s hard to put a dent in battery % with DC stuff which was the goal from a design perspective. I keep the batts at 90% max to support longevity... need these puppies to run for the next 10+ years


I was just checking on the Controller because with all the money spent on the system I was thinking if there is an additional feature it may be worth the additional cost.

Thanks for the details! This is helpful.
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Today is a rare mostly cloudy day in Tampa Florida. So I wanted to see how the solar performs in clouds. You can see a picture of the cloud conditions and then a picture of the output from my 400W solar system. Under full cloud in shadowless light, the system had 73 watts of PV and 5.5 amps of charging. Then when the sun came out of the clouds, the system peaked at 409 watts of PV and 30.1A of charging.

To obtain these results, I turned on the overhead lights, inverter, two tvs, radio, tv antenna, bathroom and shower fans, two fantastic fans and rangehood fan on the battery that was resting in float mode. So I learned you don't need to drain the battery to test solar output, you just need to crank up the amp load by turning everything on.

Here is the picture of the results:


That’s for the thread! I’m confused however. How does one interpret the data? Looking at the battery monitor. The battery status shows the amps being used, right? I assume the solar show the amps in?

Looking at the history how can you determine the amp hrs in during the day from the data?
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I have been waiting to get a day of full sun to run a solid test of my 400w system, but the weather has not conspired. Here's what I did get:

-- On a hazy day where we never saw ANY direct sunlight... (...but you could just barely tell where in the sky the sun was because of a bright spot in the clouds)... we sustained about 180-200w of power all day long.

-- Today, in steady but not heavy rain, I'm pulling 38watts... which is giving me about 3amps of charge on the batteries.

My trailer is parked "the bad way" with regard to the axis of the panels vs. the path of the sun.

Being able to pull power even on a gloomy day is EXACTLY why I have about twice as many panels as would be recommended for my battery bank.

Long story short, I'm quite happy with the results thus far...
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That’s for the thread! I’m confused however. How does one interpret the data? Looking at the battery monitor. The battery status shows the amps being used, right? I assume the solar show the amps in?

Looking at the history how can you determine the amp hrs in during the day from the data?
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I do not have a BMV-712 on my system, so only real-time Amps going into my battery are reported. Maybe others can share some of their amp-hour data. But Amps produced are only equal to the amount needed to recharge the battery. Once the battery is recharged, the solar production nearly shuts down in "Float" mode.

My Victron 100/30 only has the two data screens posted. The first shows real-time solar panel production and battery charging. The second shows 30 days of daily historic solar panel production with high/low battery voltage. Maybe you can take the 1.1 KWH per day and divide that by 12.6 Volts to get 87 amp-hours per day. But again, the 1.1 KWH is not all my panels can produce, it is all the production that my battery needed to re-charge that day.

Here are my system's latest production screens. Today my system produced
a maximum of 394 Watts of solar in Dallas TX, similar to the Wattage produced in Florida, with 26.9 Amps of battery charging. For the past two days, my Fantastic fans were on 24/7 and today there was also about an hour of TV time with the Inverter running.
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