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11-09-2019, 08:15 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2017 19' Flying Cloud
Central
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 80
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How Much Solar will Fit on a 19' FC?
I am trying to determine just how much solar can actually fit on the roof of the 2017 19' Flying Cloud. I would like to get at least 180 - 200 watts on top (and supplement that with my 100 watt suitcase), Will 180 - 200 watts fit on this trailer? I think I can get a 90 watt panel on the curbside front (not sure about a 100 w panel), but I think the antenna is in the way on the street side (on the 2017 the antenna is offset from the center line). Really no room toward the rear of the trailer - there just is not much open real estate on top of a 2017 19'.
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11-09-2019, 08:40 AM
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Rivet Master
2016 16' Sport
Miami
, Florida
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 1,596
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If you look at different manufacturers you will find a combination that will easily fit 180 watts.
My 16 has two 45s and a 90 Zamp. Using different size panels is ok but they should be the same voltage. Zamp seems to be consistent about this.
I use the mounts from AM solar because the offer them in different sizes so they match the curve of the Airstreams roof. Additionally they have a big wing nut so they can easily be removed if you need walking space to work on the roof.
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11-09-2019, 08:46 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2022 25' Flying Cloud
2018 16' Sport
1962 22' Safari
Corvallis
, Oregon
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 85
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New Zamp panels
Take a look at the new Zamp Obsidian panels, they are narrower than others. I think I can get one 100 watt and two 45 watts on my 16 foot. The panels are not cheap, but if size is an issue, they might work. I am in the process of planning my solar project, I live in Oregon and plan on going over to Bend and take a look at them this winter. Keep you posted.
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Rick & Paula LaMont
2022 Flying Cloud 25’ FBQ
WBCCI #7944
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11-09-2019, 08:49 AM
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Half a Rivet Short
2017 30' Classic
2022 Interstate 24X
Carlisle
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 15,744
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Hi
A lot depends on how creative you want to get. You might get 400W up there with the right panels and some fancy mounting structures.
Bob
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11-09-2019, 08:51 AM
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Rivet Master
2016 16' Sport
Miami
, Florida
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 1,596
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Quote:
Originally Posted by skitger
Take a look at the new Zamp Obsidian panels, they are narrower than others. I think I can get one 100 watt and two 45 watts on my 16 foot. The panels are not cheap, but if size is an issue, they might work. I am in the process of planning my solar project, I live in Oregon and plan on going over to Bend and take a look at them this winter. Keep you posted.
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The new Obsidian panels will be harder to remove if you need to access the roof. I always access the roof with a ladder leaning against the top of the main door frame. With the mounts I used I can easily remove one panel without the need for tools while on the ladder. On a larger unit this wouldn’t be an issue but with 3 panels on a 16 you will have no place left to stand.
Just something to think about.
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11-09-2019, 09:04 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2019 22' Sport
Join Date: Oct 2018
Posts: 303
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I’d consider a 200 watt solar suitcase as well. It’s my only source of solar and so far it’s been completely adequate. I’ve seen it put out up to 14 amps but generally it’s around 8-11 amps. I like the flexibility it affords. Also renogy makes a narrow 100 watt panel I’d look at the dimensions and consider that or one of the zamp offerings for the roof. Have a look at the flexible panels by sun power as well.
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11-09-2019, 09:05 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2022 25' Flying Cloud
2018 16' Sport
1962 22' Safari
Corvallis
, Oregon
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 85
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Shiny16 is totally right about the mounting. I have been quizzing Zamp on the new feet and how I could use the AM solar feet. It is nice to be able to access the with the AM mounts. So far, Zamp does not have more info for me, or if I need to make something to work with the AM solar feet. That’s why I plan on seeing AM solar and Zamp’s this winter.
Shiny16, great picture of your install, looks like you moved the TV mount. What size and model controller did to use.
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2022 Flying Cloud 25’ FBQ
WBCCI #7944
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11-09-2019, 09:15 AM
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Rivet Master
2016 16' Sport
Miami
, Florida
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 1,596
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Quote:
Originally Posted by skitger
Shiny16 is totally right about the mounting. I have been quizzing Zamp on the new feet and how I could use the AM solar feet. It is nice to be able to access the with the AM mounts. So far, Zamp does not have more info for me, or if I need to make something to work with the AM solar feet. That’s why I plan on seeing AM solar and Zamp’s this winter.
Shiny16, great picture of your install, looks like you moved the TV mount. What size and model controller did to use.
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I didn’t move the tv mount. This is a 2020 Caravell. Some years are different. I’m not sure why.
The 90 watt panel is a factory Zamp panel. If I was starting from scratch I would personally have replace the 90 with two 45s. They could have match the location of the other two and reduced shading from the AC.
My understanding is that one 45 in full sun with one 45 with partial shading will outperform one 90 with partial shading.
I’m open to criticism on this thinking.
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11-09-2019, 09:16 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2016 19' Flying Cloud
Newtown
, Connecticut
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 66
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I've got 3 90's. required relocating the factory installed to accomadate 2 more.
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11-09-2019, 09:24 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2022 25' Flying Cloud
2018 16' Sport
1962 22' Safari
Corvallis
, Oregon
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 85
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Oh Shiny16, that can be a entire worn hole by it’s self ! I think your install is great and that is a good point about two 45’s. Also, did you use a Victron Solar controller ? A 100/30 or 100/20. Do you even use or need a suitcase for extra juice or shade issues. I was going to keep my Zamp plug and run into the controller also, so I can use my 100 watt suitcase.
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2022 Flying Cloud 25’ FBQ
WBCCI #7944
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11-09-2019, 09:25 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2022 25' Flying Cloud
2018 16' Sport
1962 22' Safari
Corvallis
, Oregon
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 85
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Worm hole... sp
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2022 Flying Cloud 25’ FBQ
WBCCI #7944
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11-09-2019, 09:28 AM
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3 Rivet Member
2018 16' Sport
St. Louis
, Missouri
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 218
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We have a sport 16 and have 2- 90 watt Zamp panels. Located in the front, just ahead of the AC. Shiny 16 , I wish I had the wing nuts, great idea to be able to remove the panels. I bought the trailer used, and brackets have a ugly pile of self leveling caulk on each mount.
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11-09-2019, 09:40 AM
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Rivet Master
2016 16' Sport
Miami
, Florida
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 1,596
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Quote:
Originally Posted by skitger
Oh Shiny16, that can be a entire worn hole by it’s self ! I think your install is great and that is a good point about two 45’s. Also, did you use a Victron Solar controller ? A 100/30 or 100/20. Do you even use or need a suitcase for extra juice or shade issues. I was going to keep my Zamp plug and run into the controller also, so I can use my 100 watt suitcase.
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I had a Victron controller on my previous camper. This one came with the 90 watt factory panel and Atikins controller. So far it seems adequate. If I was starting from scratch I would use the Victron.
I have not had a need for a portable panel so far. I might purchase one for next season. There are some shaded spots I like. You will get mixed answers on the subject of wiring a portable panel to the onboard controller or just using a portable with its own controller plugged into the Zamp plug that comes on most models.
One thing to remember with the smaller units is you are limited to how much battery you can fit. You can over think the efficiency of the solar to the point that it really doesn’t matter because you won’t have any place to store the power.
If we were talking about larger units I would default to guys like Uncle Bob to be more up to date on the most efficient systems.
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11-09-2019, 09:46 AM
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Rivet Master
2016 16' Sport
Miami
, Florida
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 1,596
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sport 16 STL
We have a sport 16 and have 2- 90 watt Zamp panels. Located in the front, just ahead of the AC. Shiny 16 , I wish I had the wing nuts, great idea to be able to remove the panels. I bought the trailer used, and brackets have a ugly pile of self leveling caulk on each mount.
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Do you know if the mounts are drilled in or installed with 3m tape? The caulk and tape can be removed. It might be more work then you would want to do though.
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11-09-2019, 09:59 AM
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1 Rivet Member
2016 25' Flying Cloud
Placitas
, New Mexico
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 11
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Compressor Fridge
Shiny 16 - Thanks for all of your info. We just ordered a 2020 20FB Caravel as we are downsizing from our 2016 Flying Cloud 25fb. We too are considering what to do with solar. How is yours working with supporting the new Novo Kool Compressor refridgerator?
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11-09-2019, 10:03 AM
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Rivet Master
2022 25' Flying Cloud
NCR
, Ontario
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 3,107
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we have 3 panels on our 22fb
2x100 on the roof
and 1x160 hinged on the back rear window
we use a suite of victron devices
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11-09-2019, 10:31 AM
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Rivet Master
2016 16' Sport
Miami
, Florida
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 1,596
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lrskfalls
Shiny 16 - Thanks for all of your info. We just ordered a 2020 20FB Caravel as we are downsizing from our 2016 Flying Cloud 25fb. We too are considering what to do with solar. How is yours working with supporting the new Novo Kool Compressor refridgerator?
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The 16 has the Nova Kool 3100. It was running in my driveway for 5 days with partial sun. It was always 100 percent at the end of the day. I’m not quite sure you would have those results using the lights, fans etc.
I would order without solar and just do a bit of research. With the prewire it’s just too easy to install. I would have done the same but it’s tough to find one on the lot without solar.
One thing I would recommenced with the Nova Kool is a remote thermometer. It gets really cold and you waist energy. I try to adjust it to hold 40f and save on the compressor run time.
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11-09-2019, 12:40 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2022 25' Flying Cloud
2018 16' Sport
1962 22' Safari
Corvallis
, Oregon
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 85
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Shiny16, thanks for the info. You are totally right on the smaller trailers, you only need so much solar and battery size. Small trailers don’t use as much either, when we are at the lake for 4 days, we use 15-20 aH a day, the 100 watt suitcase tops that off every day, but on shady sites, 5 aH at best. It came with one Interstate and for cheap and easy, I put a second one in to match. But on 4-5 days of boondocking, the batt can get to 50% even with the suitcase. So my plan is for 190 watts on the roof and 2 T 105’s or Lifeline’s, also thinking about tongue weigh too. Still have a few months to decide.
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2022 Flying Cloud 25’ FBQ
WBCCI #7944
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11-09-2019, 03:36 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2017 19' Flying Cloud
Calgary
, Alberta
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 109
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Quote:
Originally Posted by brundom
I've got 3 90's. required relocating the factory installed to accomadate 2 more.
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This is a very timely thread as I’m also planning a solar install on my 2017 19’
My plan was to go with the 90W Zamp panes as wel but after measuring wasn’t sure how they would fit on the street side. How did you mount yours?
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11-09-2019, 04:59 PM
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1 Rivet Member
2015 19' International
Beaverton
, Oregon
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 19
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I installed two 100w Renogy panels on my 2015 19 Intl this summer. I removed the tv antenna, since we never watch broadcast tv on the road. The VictronConnect controller used my iPad as a control panel. It all works a charm.
http://www.airforums.com/forums/atta...1&d=1573343627
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