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01-18-2025, 10:45 AM
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2 Rivet Member 
2016 27' Flying Cloud
Danville
, California
Join Date: Jan 2024
Posts: 75
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For A/C: Propane only/No Easy Start/No Recoil start
Hello everyone,
I've been reading through the recent generator posts since I’m also shopping for a new one. I decided to start a new thread because my requirements are a bit more specific than what others have shared. Here’s what I’m looking for:
Propane only: I don’t want to mess with gasoline—I hate storing it, smelling it, and spilling it. Plus, I already have propane on my trailer, so it just makes sense to stick with that.
Lightweight: As part of the 65+ crowd with elbows well past their expiration date, I need something manageable. My max weight is around 65lbs. These 100+ lb generators are simply out of the question.
Enough power: I need it to run the original A/C unit on my 2016 Flying Cloud, along with my WiFi router and maybe a TV for when we’re out exploring and the dog needs to stay in the trailer.
No EasyStart mods: I don’t plan on adding an EasyStart. Since I’m out of warranty myself, I’ve avoided roof work on the trailer to reduce the risk of, well, broken bones.
Electric start: My out-of-warranty elbows not only can’t lift a 100-lb generator but also don’t appreciate being asked to repeatedly pull a recoil starter.
CARB compliant: Living in California, where the rules outnumber the grains of sand in the Sahara, having CARB compliance would be a big plus.
If anyone has suggestions that fit these criteria, I’d love to hear them. Thanks in advance for your input!
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01-18-2025, 11:13 AM
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1 Rivet Member 
2008 25' Safari FB SE
ASTORIA
, Oregon
Join Date: Aug 2024
Posts: 7
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Easy start - saves on the size of the generator needed. Find someone to install. Smaller generator seems to fit your physical profile better.
CARB - can you even buy a generator in California? Nothing going to make them happy…and any Honda’s are as good as you can reasonably get…or some other brands.
As you are out hiking - and the dog is inside - what programs does she/he prefer?
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01-18-2025, 11:22 AM
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Rivet Master 
2017 28' Flying Cloud
2014 25' FB Flying Cloud
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Georgetown (winter)Thayne (summer)
, Texas & Wyoming
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 7,437
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Good luck! When you find it, let us know!  All of your "restrictions" kind of lock out what would be an easy answer....weight being one of them.
There are a few "Dual Fuel" good generators out there; the electric start on the 2000-3000 models however, may not exist?
The EasyStart can be added thru an RV dealer, or advertise on your local FB Marketplace or NextDoor sites. Highly recommended. Another option with Easystart is they have a Pigtail type adapter to your power cord, but either way, it's a good idea to get one with the smaller generators. I have seen "soft start" plug/play units taking 115A to 30A plug from your AS; just not MicroAir model. Not sure of the knock offs. Pricy also. Installing takes about an hour at most if someone knows what they are doing and can get on top, which is why I recommend looking for "help". Pretty straight forward hook up with several Youtubes....just finding the help.
I had a Champion 3400 Dual Fuel, that weighed in at 95lbs with an electric start. I sold it after couple years, due to weight getting in/out of rear of my F250; but it worked great. I got the Honda 2200 from Genconnex 3 years ago, which is Propane Only, and I love it. 45lbs, and starts usually on 3rd pull. Not hard to start at all...I'm 75. Pricy but came with 3 year warranty from them.
There may be a 2000-2500 propane or dual fuel generator out there with electric start; I just have not seen one. Either way, getting the Softstart from Microair highly recommended.
Carb compliant in CA?? I never worried about that with my propane generators.
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Empty Nesters; Gypsies on the road! 2017 28' Twin Flying Cloud
2017 F250 King Ranch, 4X4, 6.7L, Blue-Ox WDH
Summer-Star Valley Ranch RV Resort (Thayne, WY); Winter-Sun City (Georgetown,TX)
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01-18-2025, 11:28 AM
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Rivet Master 

2023 25' Globetrotter
2021 16' Bambi
Forest Lake
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Join Date: Mar 2021
Posts: 1,878
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There's the car generator, but I don't think it has enough power for the A/C unless it's a soft start and then I'm still not sure.
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01-18-2025, 11:36 AM
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2 Rivet Member 
2016 27' Flying Cloud
Danville
, California
Join Date: Jan 2024
Posts: 75
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunor
Easy start - saves on the size of the generator needed. Find someone to install. Smaller generator seems to fit your physical profile better.
CARB - can you even buy a generator in California? Nothing going to make them happy…and any Honda’s are as good as you can reasonably get…or some other brands.
As you are out hiking - and the dog is inside - what programs does she/he prefer?
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He likes HGTV and NFL football.
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01-18-2025, 11:39 AM
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2 Rivet Member 
2016 27' Flying Cloud
Danville
, California
Join Date: Jan 2024
Posts: 75
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gypsydad
Good luck! When you find it, let us know!  All of your "restrictions" kind of lock out what would be an easy answer....weight being one of them.
There are a few "Dual Fuel" good generators out there; the electric start on the 2000-3000 models however, may not exist?
The EasyStart can be added thru an RV dealer, or advertise on your local FB Marketplace or NextDoor sites. Highly recommended. Another option with Easystart is they have a Pigtail type adapter to your power cord, but either way, it's a good idea to get one with the smaller generators. I have seen "soft start" plug/play units taking 115A to 30A plug from your AS; just not MicroAir model. Not sure of the knock offs. Pricy also. Installing takes about an hour at most if someone knows what they are doing and can get on top, which is why I recommend looking for "help". Pretty straight forward hook up with several Youtubes....just finding the help.
I had a Champion 3400 Dual Fuel, that weighed in at 95lbs with an electric start. I sold it after couple years, due to weight getting in/out of rear of my F250; but it worked great. I got the Honda 2200 from Genconnex 3 years ago, which is Propane Only, and I love it. 45lbs, and starts usually on 3rd pull. Not hard to start at all...I'm 75. Pricy but came with 3 year warranty from them.
There may be a 2000-2500 propane or dual fuel generator out there with electric start; I just have not seen one. Either way, getting the Softstart from Microair highly recommended.
Carb compliant in CA?? I never worried about that with my propane generators.
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Can you tell me more about Easy Start with a Pigtail adapter for my powercord?
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01-18-2025, 11:00 PM
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1 Rivet Member 
Maumelle
, Arkansas
Join Date: Aug 2024
Posts: 7
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This may fit your needs. Champion #201050 4000 watts, dual fuel. Runs my 15K BTU A/C without a soft start. Weighs 60 pounds, $699. Only thing is no electric start but the pull starter is pretty easy.
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01-19-2025, 08:25 AM
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Rivet Master 
2017 28' International
Jim Falls
, Wisconsin
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 2,446
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Buy two small generators such as the Honda 2200 and put them in parallel. You will then have 30 AMPs which will run your AC. Or put in an Easy Start. Each Honda generators weigh about 40lbs. They are not hard to carry around. Other smaller generators that are cheaper may also be able to run in parallel. Also Honda generators can be changed to LP with a kit. I haven't done that. I prefer gas since it is more accessible and I can carry a light gas tank or no gas tank at all if I just want to use for emergencies. I typically just take one with me since if the electricity goes out I will just open the windows and run the fan for awhile. Honda generators are very quiet as well.
I have two. By the way, may be nice having two small generators. I use mine more around the house. If the electricity is off, they are nice to have for plugging things in like your freezer, etc. I even have used it to plug in for getting my cars out of the garage with my garage opener. Never know.
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01-19-2025, 10:47 AM
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Half a Rivet Short
2017 30' Classic
2022 Interstate 24X
Carlisle
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 16,726
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Hi
Like pretty much everybody else, I'd suggest that at least one item on your "needs" list is going to have to change. Which one is very much up to you. I'm not suggesting the list is wrong, it's the same sort of list I'd make up. The only point is (as made by several above) it appears to rule out any "solution".
One item not yet mentioned:
When running on propane, the output numbers on a generator are lower than on gasoline. You typically need to dig down into the fine print to find out just how much lower.
When running at altitude, the output of a generator drops. That's true of gasoline or propane. Just how "high up" do you camp?
The combination of these two things tends to "bump up" the size of the generator.
Next up:
The load an A/C puts on a generator varies depending on a number of factors. The same is true of the starting surge. If you plan to also run things in "heat pump" mode, that's going to pull more current. If you run at high temps, that does as well. High humidity also is a gotcha.
The result is that there is a range of current needed depending on the circumstances. If your camping conditions are different than somebody else your current demands probably are different as well.
Bob
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01-19-2025, 10:54 AM
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4 Rivet Member 
1986 25' Sovereign
Huntsville
, Alabama
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 294
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You can always go the Onan that fits under the trailer. Electric start, propane, and always there. Pricey
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01-19-2025, 10:57 AM
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diesel maniac
Airstream - Other
Tucson
, AZ
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 2,819
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What about the Cummins/Onan 2500i that can be installed in an Airstream trailer? Seems to check all the boxes that the OP listed.
https://norwall.com/products/onan-25...r-25hglaa-8310
edit: looks like steamracer posted while I was (slowly) typing!
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01-19-2025, 12:09 PM
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Rivet Master 

2021 30' Flying Cloud
Airstream - Other
Airstream - Other
Lady Lake
, Florida
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 1,336
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Micro Air
Any Certified RV tech can install a Micro Air and I respect at our age not wanting to stand on a beer can slippery roof where one wrong step is $$$$$$$$$$ of roof denting disaster or even death if you fall off.
So get one installed it’s benefits are much more than the start up. People do not talk about that as much as they should. It protects against brown outs high power etc also.
If you have an extra $15 K laying around in California have Vinnie’’s Airstream Repair install the AirKrafters under frame Propane Generator and your self sufficient as long as your able to buy fuel.
Hervey
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01-19-2025, 01:05 PM
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Rivet Master 
2017 28' Flying Cloud
2014 25' FB Flying Cloud
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Georgetown (winter)Thayne (summer)
, Texas & Wyoming
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 7,437
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Quote:
Originally Posted by F250
Can you tell me more about Easy Start with a Pigtail adapter for my powercord?
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Google Soft Start or Easy Start for RV AC. I haven't looked at this one closely, so don't know pro's and con's vs the hard wired. I had mine hard wired, on my 15000AC unit years ago in JC while visiting, but this model looks interesting. Not sure if there are negatives. I thought Microair also had one like this, but don't see it on their website. This thing costs more than the cost of an Easy Start including installation, IMHO.
https://www.amazon.com/All-softstart.../dp/B0BL1N2BZD
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Empty Nesters; Gypsies on the road! 2017 28' Twin Flying Cloud
2017 F250 King Ranch, 4X4, 6.7L, Blue-Ox WDH
Summer-Star Valley Ranch RV Resort (Thayne, WY); Winter-Sun City (Georgetown,TX)
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01-19-2025, 06:32 PM
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2 Rivet Member 
2016 27' Flying Cloud
Danville
, California
Join Date: Jan 2024
Posts: 75
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Quote:
Originally Posted by uncle_bob
Hi
Like pretty much everybody else, I'd suggest that at least one item on your "needs" list is going to have to change. Which one is very much up to you. I'm not suggesting the list is wrong, it's the same sort of list I'd make up. The only point is (as made by several above) it appears to rule out any "solution".
One item not yet mentioned:
When running on propane, the output numbers on a generator are lower than on gasoline. You typically need to dig down into the fine print to find out just how much lower.
When running at altitude, the output of a generator drops. That's true of gasoline or propane. Just how "high up" do you camp?
The combination of these two things tends to "bump up" the size of the generator.
Next up:
The load an A/C puts on a generator varies depending on a number of factors. The same is true of the starting surge. If you plan to also run things in "heat pump" mode, that's going to pull more current. If you run at high temps, that does as well. High humidity also is a gotcha.
The result is that there is a range of current needed depending on the circumstances. If your camping conditions are different than somebody else your current demands probably are different as well.
Bob
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Thank you! I like the Champion 4000 idea, but it has no electric start, but if it is easy to start that may work as suggested. I may have found an option. But I am not familiar with the manufacturer: DieHard "made by Pulsar". Sold by Tractor Supply. What do y'all think of this one?
Here are the specs:
The DieHard 5000 Watt Dual Fuel Inverter Generator unites the trusted power of DieHard with versatile and efficient performance. Equipped with a built-in inverter, it ensures the safe operation of sensitive electronics, making it ideal for emergency home power, jobsite use, or recreational activities. Its durable carbon fiber finish enhances resilience in tough environments, while delivering up to 5000 watts of peak power on gasoline and 4500 watts on propane to tackle your most essential tasks. Lightweight and easy to transport, this generator features a telescopic handle and a built-in mobility kit. With multiple startup optionsrecoil, electric, and remote startit offers superior convenience and flexibility. Stay protected with carbon monoxide detection and keep track of performance through a digital LCD display that provides real-time monitoring. Advanced safety features, including overload protection and a low oil indicator, give you peace of mind. Whether for emergencies, work, or play, this powerhouse generator is built to meet all your power needs.
Dual Fuel Capability: Choose between gasoline and propane for fuel flexibility.
Inverter Technology: Safe to use with sensitive electronics like laptops and phones.
Durable Design: Carbon fiber impact resistant shell protects the generator in rugged environments.
Powerful Output: 5000W peak (4000W rated) on gasoline; 4500W peak (3600W rated) on propane.
Versatile Outlets: Two 120V outlets, one 120V 30A twist-lock outlet, plus USB-A and USB-C ports.
Reliable 160cc OHV Engine: Ensures long-lasting reliable performance in any situation.
Portable & Lightweight: Weighing just 60 pounds, it's easy to transport with the telescopic handle and wheels.
Multiple Startup Methods: Recoil, electric, and remote start options for convenience.
Safety Features: Carbon monoxide detection, overload protection, low oil indicator.
Run Time: Low idle control helps maximize fuel efficiency. Operate on gasoline for up to 6 hours at half load.
Advanced Monitoring: Digital LCD display tracks volts, watts, fuel, and more.
Parallel Capable: Link two units together for even greater power output using the PGiPAiRB6 (120V 14-50R) parallel kit. Parallel kit sold separately
https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/pr...5000w-inverter
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01-19-2025, 07:19 PM
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1 Rivet Member 
Maumelle
, Arkansas
Join Date: Aug 2024
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I meant to say the Champion 4000 weighs 50 pounds. The Diehard you show looks pretty good and has everything you're looking for.
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01-19-2025, 08:15 PM
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2 Rivet Member 
2016 27' Flying Cloud
Danville
, California
Join Date: Jan 2024
Posts: 75
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ToothDoctor, thank you for recommending the Champion 4000 and for your comments on the DieHard (Pulsar).
I sometimes feel cautious about brands I've never heard of, especially those that offer many features but aren’t widely known for their quality.
It seems Sears sold the DieHard brand to Pulsar. I don’t know much about Pulsar generators, but I believe they’re considered a budget brand. Perhaps others here have experience with them and can weigh in.
Regarding the Champion 4000, could you comment on how loud it is when running on propane in a campground?
Also, how hard is the rope to pull, and how easily does it start on propane? My right arm is not 100%.
Does the Champion 4000 work without a regulator when connected to the trailer's low-pressure LP port?
Finally, when you started your A/C without the "soft start," were you using propane? What other appliances or devices can you run in the trailer simultaneously with the A/C running?
Thank you so much!
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01-19-2025, 08:17 PM
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diesel maniac
Airstream - Other
Tucson
, AZ
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 2,819
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I am truly amazed at all the low priced light weight inverter generators that seem to have sprung up recently. Seems like a year or so ago the only one was the Honda eu3200i in the $3,000 range. Makes me a little skeptical of the low priced ones and if their claimed ratings are accurate. Champion is the only one I am familiar with as having a track record.
Honda still seems to be the quietest, by quite a margin.
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01-19-2025, 09:19 PM
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Rivet Master 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,862
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F250,
Your problem has been solved a little while ago, here's the link to your solution!
You can thank me later
https://airkrafters.com/product/jenrak/
Good Luck,
Paul
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01-20-2025, 07:30 AM
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Half a Rivet Short
2017 30' Classic
2022 Interstate 24X
Carlisle
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 16,726
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Quote:
Originally Posted by F250
Thank you! I like the Champion 4000 idea, but it has no electric start, but if it is easy to start that may work as suggested. I may have found an option. But I am not familiar with the manufacturer: DieHard "made by Pulsar". Sold by Tractor Supply. What do y'all think of this one?
Attachment 450305
Here are the specs:
The DieHard 5000 Watt Dual Fuel Inverter Generator unites the trusted power of DieHard with versatile and efficient performance. Equipped with a built-in inverter, it ensures the safe operation of sensitive electronics, making it ideal for emergency home power, jobsite use, or recreational activities. Its durable carbon fiber finish enhances resilience in tough environments, while delivering up to 5000 watts of peak power on gasoline and 4500 watts on propane to tackle your most essential tasks. Lightweight and easy to transport, this generator features a telescopic handle and a built-in mobility kit. With multiple startup optionsrecoil, electric, and remote startit offers superior convenience and flexibility. Stay protected with carbon monoxide detection and keep track of performance through a digital LCD display that provides real-time monitoring. Advanced safety features, including overload protection and a low oil indicator, give you peace of mind. Whether for emergencies, work, or play, this powerhouse generator is built to meet all your power needs.
Dual Fuel Capability: Choose between gasoline and propane for fuel flexibility.
Inverter Technology: Safe to use with sensitive electronics like laptops and phones.
Durable Design: Carbon fiber impact resistant shell protects the generator in rugged environments.
Powerful Output: 5000W peak (4000W rated) on gasoline; 4500W peak (3600W rated) on propane.
Versatile Outlets: Two 120V outlets, one 120V 30A twist-lock outlet, plus USB-A and USB-C ports.
Reliable 160cc OHV Engine: Ensures long-lasting reliable performance in any situation.
Portable & Lightweight: Weighing just 60 pounds, it's easy to transport with the telescopic handle and wheels.
Multiple Startup Methods: Recoil, electric, and remote start options for convenience.
Safety Features: Carbon monoxide detection, overload protection, low oil indicator.
Run Time: Low idle control helps maximize fuel efficiency. Operate on gasoline for up to 6 hours at half load.
Advanced Monitoring: Digital LCD display tracks volts, watts, fuel, and more.
Parallel Capable: Link two units together for even greater power output using the PGiPAiRB6 (120V 14-50R) parallel kit. Parallel kit sold separately
Attachment 450304
https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/pr...5000w-inverter
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Hi
Ok, you start of with 5,000 W up in the big type.
Go down a little and it's 4,500W
Then it gets to 4,000W.
Then on propane it's 3,800 W.
We still have not hit the ~20% derating for distance above sea level. That might well knock off another 800W.
Your 5,000W generator is now a 3,000W.
Welcome to the fun of marketing.
Like you, I'm not sure I'd go with that brand.
Bob
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01-20-2025, 09:02 AM
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Rivet Master 
2010 30' Classic
Warren
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Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,395
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I just looked at the item that rideair posted, and that price is only the mount! The generator is $4450, plus the transfer switch, control panel and all other related parts to make it functional. My guess is close to $8000 to have it up and running. Makes a couple of Honda's look real good!!
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