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Old 08-13-2019, 01:07 PM   #41
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Just to be sure I shut off all AC breakers except the 30 amp Main and the 20 amp AC, which is usually next to the main. Also FWIW, follow the learn process carefully. I let mine learn on a 15 amp circuit at home, and my Honda EU 2000i (propane) never could seem to keep it going. I assumed elevation was the issue. I am on the road and have 30 amp service at a friends place in Montana (have otherwise been boondocking this trip), then relearn. Lo and behold, it finally works (5500 feet elevation) when I tested with generator. I did need to turn off eco mode.

Make sure you have at least 20a service, preferably 30, when doing learning starts. Doh!
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Old 08-14-2019, 06:05 AM   #42
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I think you need to switch off the converter. It draws a huge load of power when the batteries are down a little. Find the breaker for the converter and switch it off.
I did!p switched off converter by switching the breaker. First time it all worked fine. Second time, same scenario, it didnít and again after it didnít.
I think it is the battery charger, but how do I switch the battery charger off?
And if it is not that, Iím at lost.

The learning cycles were done multiple times on 30 amp, so that can not be the issue.
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Old 08-14-2019, 07:37 AM   #43
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Waterheater and fridge on gas and switch the breaker off of the converter.
But the water heater and fridge use 12v. for the control circuit, no?
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Old 08-14-2019, 07:44 AM   #44
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But the water heater and fridge use 12v. for the control circuit, no?
Yes, but on my unit, the fridge, fridge fans, h20 heater, propane detector, and brake actuator keepnalive circuit combined, consume about 900mA at 12v. The converter (assuming full batteries) will not be using a lot of 120v under these conditions.
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Old 08-15-2019, 06:12 AM   #45
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Turning off converter

I was told by airstream that when I turn off my converter the firefly panel and lights etc. will draw from battery.
So if they are right the converter will not draw power from a running generator ( including the battery charger), when switched off.
You can turn off the AC and switch on the converter to charge the batteries, when necessary
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Old 08-15-2019, 07:52 AM   #46
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Usually when I run the air on the generator the batteries are down. So the converter draws max power.
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Old 08-16-2019, 02:43 PM   #47
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I noticed a very dramatic drop in my battery charge ( with ING 1 hr to 60%), when I switch off the converter at the breaker panel, and I’m not on shore power, running the AC with easy start on my Honda 2000.
In this scenario I don’t use any lights or other DC drawing appliances. Fridge is on gas.
What can draw that much from the batteries ( new batteries replacement by Jackson center in January of this year) that batteries go down to 60% in no time....?
If it is indeed that serious drop in battery charge I need to switch on the converter/ battery charger while on generator power, but that might put the generator in overload while running the AC.
Any ideas?
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Old 08-18-2019, 04:51 PM   #48
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My only idea is that you might not be able to run both the AC and the converter at the same time. Or maybe it will do both. A test would be in order. My trailer exhibits the same thing you have noted. I think it just takes a long time to get the batteries charged the last 10 to 20 percent. My only instrumentation is a little battery monitor, my trailer has some lit bulbs in the display all the time and I suspect they draw some power.
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Old 08-18-2019, 11:37 PM   #49
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My only idea is that you might not be able to run both the AC and the converter at the same time. Or maybe it will do both. A test would be in order. My trailer exhibits the same thing you have noted. I think it just takes a long time to get the batteries charged the last 10 to 20 percent. My only instrumentation is a little battery monitor, my trailer has some lit bulbs in the display all the time and I suspect they draw some power.
I have a Progressive Dynamics PD9280A converter charger 80amps. I have 4--6volt golf cart batteries.. Two sets in series 12 volt each. 232 Amy each ==464amh. I have 5--100watt Renogy solar panels that keep batteries up most of the time. I turn the solar off once about every two weeks and charger with the Progressive Dynamics to do its smart charging series. If the batteries are down say 12.6 it will ramp up very quickly to 14.4 likewise it's drawing say 15--18 amps. AC for just a short period of time. Next thing I know its drawing 2--3 amps When I run my Honda 2200 I make sure batteries are fully charged before I try run 15,000 btu heat pump. I turn the eco mode off so its running at almost max RPM's 4000 I think. The it will run Heat pump on cooling and charger, by the charger is at 2 or even less just maintaining batteries. I also installed a tach/hour meter on the Honda 2200 generator. About $20. I think. Very simple DIY. Hope this is of some help.
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Seems to be the key for the Honda 2200/EasyStart/AC (in my case 15K units) is:


Honda running with Eco Mode OFF
Any type of battery charger turned OFF at the breaker
Any other AC drawing appliances OFF (either at a breaker or switched off)


My 15K units draw about 4amps while waiting to start with the fan on Auto. I can watch an amp meter and at about the 4:30min mark watch the amps ramp up as it is starting the compressor. about 15 amps while running.


So not much if any extra power with a Honda 2200i on Propane at 6500 ft altitude. Turn on the converter (2020 Classic 33 uses a WFCO WF-9855 standalone unit) which can draw up to 11amps AC. Even on in float mode it seems to drawing 2-2.5 amps which can trip the Honda.
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Well I was a bit enthusiastic on my last post. Ran into problems as the temperatures took the density altitude to 8000 ft. See my new post on some better testing of the Honda 2200 in the electrical generator section.
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Old 09-03-2019, 06:09 PM   #52
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Well I was a bit enthusiastic on my last post. Ran into problems as the temperatures took the density altitude to 8000 ft. See my new post on some better testing of the Honda 2200 in the electrical generator section.


Link: http://www.airforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200376
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Old 09-05-2019, 04:17 AM   #53
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Just got our rig back from warranty service (if you call it that) and was able to take another look at my problem. Long story short one of my AC's was wired incorrectly by Micro-Air and it was running in the Heat Pump mode. Rewired and all seems well but running at max with one AC and gen on propane.
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