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04-27-2007, 10:08 PM
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4 Rivet Member 
2007 25' Safari FB SE
North/East
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EU2000i Parallel Kits
Planning to do some dry camping and use my 2 Honda EU2000i's to run A/C on 2007 Safari 25'. Camping World sells paralleling kits from Gen-Tran ($214.99)and Reliance Controls ($179.99). I asked the salesperson what the difference was between the units and was told $35.00. Does anyone have any pro's or con's on these kits?
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04-28-2007, 12:49 AM
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4 Rivet Member
1964 22' Safari
Eagle River
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What do these "kits" actually consist of? Can we assemble our own for a lot less $$$?
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04-28-2007, 07:15 AM
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Rivet Master 
2001 34' Limited
The State of
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Originally Posted by Safari64
What do these "kits" actually consist of? Can we assemble our own for a lot less $$$?
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A LOT less $$$$
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04-28-2007, 07:56 AM
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Rivet Master
1976 25' Caravanner
Vintage Kin Owner
Campton
, New Hampshire
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Another way is to buy the parallel cords from Honda ( about $30 ) and a pig tail adapter that has a 30A female RV end ( about $10 ) . Cut the 30A female end off , splice the wires together and your done . 40 bucks and a 1/2 hour .
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04-28-2007, 08:02 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2007 25' Safari FB SE
North/East
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RoadKingMoe Thanks for the information. I'm not clear on your wiring setup to the 30amp RV connector. Do you have a wiring diagram of your setup?
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04-28-2007, 08:26 AM
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Rivet Master
2001 34' Limited
The State of
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No diagram. You can see in the pictures where the different colored wires connect on the generators. In the TT connector box:
Hot wires (black insulation) from generators joined at the hot screw (brass or black painted) of the TT outlet.
Neutral wires (white insulation) from generators joined at the neutral screw (silver) of the TT outlet.
Ground wires (green insulation) from generators joined at the ground screw (green painted) of the TT outlet.
The thickness of two 12AWG wires twisted together is a bit more than will fit on the TT plug connectors designed for 10AWG. I just trimmed away a few of the strands of the 12AWG wires. You aren't using all their 20 amp capacity even with the EU2000 at max output.
I've tested this with a 1500W space heater set on 900W, a 1500W hair dryer on high, and our 1500W microwave cycling on and off (not on Eco-Throttle). After 15-20 minutes or so (and shutting everything down) there were no hot spots at any of the connections.
My concern with using two EU1000 parallel cables with the ends cut off and joined at the TT connector is that these generators only put out about 8 amps and even 18AWG is more than enough for that. I'd want at least 14AWG (typically for 15A) for the EU2000s. Ticki2, did you measure the wire gauge of these cables?
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04-28-2007, 09:55 AM
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Rivet Master
2006 30' Classic
Farmington
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I have the Gen Tran---works great--has 30 amp plug with breaker---pricy but simple to install and works well--------------pieman
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04-28-2007, 10:09 AM
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Rivet Master
1976 25' Caravanner
Vintage Kin Owner
Campton
, New Hampshire
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Road King ,
It looked to me to be 14ga . There is a tag on the honda wires that says " 1000v cat 111 32a CE "
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04-28-2007, 10:34 AM
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Rivet Master
1986 31' Sovereign
Miami
, Florida
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Before you buy anything, go look at this:
: Gallery
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04-28-2007, 10:35 AM
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Rivet Master
1986 31' Sovereign
Miami
, Florida
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Let's Try That again:
: Gallery
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04-28-2007, 10:35 AM
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Rivet Master
1986 31' Sovereign
Miami
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Okay, for some reason it won't post the link so her
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04-28-2007, 10:37 AM
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Rivet Master
1986 31' Sovereign
Miami
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Okay, for some reason it won't post the link so her it is again...
: Gallery
: Gallery
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04-28-2007, 10:38 AM
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More than one rivet loose
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Los Alamos
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I made one from high end parts for around $60. from the electrical supply house. If you look at the wiring diagram from Honda it is pretty easy to wire it yourself.
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Sarah, Snowball 
Looking for a 1962 Flying Cloud
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04-28-2007, 10:53 AM
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Retired.
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You're paying for the convenience, and the Honda name. As others have already pointed out, you can make the cables yourself for less than 1/4 of the price of genuine Honda. The only caveat I would have is if the generators are under waranty, you may not want to have the homemade cables in sight when returning them for warranty work.
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04-28-2007, 11:08 AM
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Rivet Master
1976 25' Caravanner
Vintage Kin Owner
Campton
, New Hampshire
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The down side of making one up with the three prong plugs that if one should come out accidentally it will be live if the other gen. is running . The torpedo type plugs for the honda parellel cable is protected on the outside.
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04-28-2007, 12:50 PM
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I do not use the parallel setup as a 30 to 15 adapter. I use a seperate 30 to 15 adapter.
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Sarah, Snowball
Looking for a 1962 Flying Cloud
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04-28-2007, 01:55 PM
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Rivet Master
1976 25' Caravanner
Vintage Kin Owner
Campton
, New Hampshire
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Originally Posted by thecatsandi
I do not use the parallel setup as a 30 to 15 adapter. I use a seperate 30 to 15 adapter.
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I was refering to the picture in n2916s post , not sure what your set up is .
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04-28-2007, 03:09 PM
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Rivet Master
2017 27' Flying Cloud
2016 Interstate Grand Tour Ext
Altoona
, Florida
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Confused
How do you keep from connecting the generators "out of phase" with each other?
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04-28-2007, 04:31 PM
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Rivet Master
1976 25' Caravanner
Vintage Kin Owner
Campton
, New Hampshire
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Originally Posted by David Alan
How do you keep from connecting the generators "out of phase" with each other?
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When you use the banana plugs on the parellel cable the gererators automatically adjust for it.
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04-28-2007, 04:48 PM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
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I know that a buck saved is a buck earned but, when you're dropping close to 2 grand for the two Hondas, and you're not that savvy with the electrical side of things, go ahead and spring for the peace of mind afforded by someone else's sound engineering! This is, by no means, meant to discredit those who know what they're doing - or are otherwise comfortable with a home-built setup. I applaud their skill and bravado!
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2003 GMC 3500 D/A, CC, LB, 4x4 and 2000 Airstream Excella 30. WBCCI 7074
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