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Old 11-02-2014, 09:48 AM   #61
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Usual quoted price on net seems to be 999

But I've seen people on forums get them for 900 as I recall


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Old 11-02-2014, 10:21 AM   #62
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I know this is off subject (Costco) a little but since we have a generator audience I thought I'd ask.

Has anyone used the Yamaha EF2000iS Inverter tri-fuel generator?
msrp is $1,099 and noise level@ 1/4 load 51.5-561 dBA.

I'm attracted to the idea that it could be fueled by my trailer's propane tanks(s) thus avoiding having to transport and handle gasoline.

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Old 11-02-2014, 10:30 AM   #63
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Tri-fuel capability ... did I miss that in the specs or is it an aftermarket conversion? Most generators may be converted to propane - at a cost. How does aftermarket conversion affect warranty considerations?
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Old 11-02-2014, 10:40 AM   #64
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Tri-fuel capability ... did I miss that in the specs or is it an aftermarket conversion? Most generators may be converted to propane - at a cost. How does aftermarket conversion affect warranty considerations?
Apparently needs a conversion kit.
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Old 11-02-2014, 02:04 PM   #65
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To answer my own question about where Honda Generators are made….. golly I think their website may have answered this.

"Honda Power Equipment Mfg., Inc., located in Swepsonville, North Carolina. Research, development, and testing activities are conducted at Honda R&D Americas, Inc., also located in North Carolina"

About 35 miles from me…..yikes, another factory tour…..LOL
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Old 11-02-2014, 02:06 PM   #66
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Tommy - I recall some are made in China and some in japan...


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Old 11-02-2014, 02:31 PM   #67
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Thumbs up We have one and we like it!

We usually camp with FHUs but dry camped with friends at Carlsbad State Beach a couple weeks ago and it worked well.

DH recommends to buy a funnel with a long flexible neck because oil access is oddly placed.
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Old 11-02-2014, 02:37 PM   #68
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Old 11-02-2014, 03:46 PM   #69
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I hope someone who bought one will post the "real world" results here soon!
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I hope someone who bought one will post the "real world" results here soon!
Maybe this review helps?
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Old 11-03-2014, 07:39 AM   #71
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After having many frustrating problems with the Onan generator in our B190, I resolved to buy generators that wouldn't give me issues. The Honda and Yamahas fit that bill. Nothing more frustrating than a generator that won't start when you need it or stalls on you for no discernible reason - and when it does run, is pretty loud. And Onan is supposedly a good brand, and it wasn't a cheap generator by any means: More than two Honda EU2000s and the link cable, that's for sure.

If these are reliable and quiet, then more power to you. If I took the chance and bought it and found it wasn't reliable, then I'd feel like I wasted $600, rather than saving $300-$400. And my wife would ask, "So now we have to spend $900-$1000 after spending $600 last year?" (Or two years ago or whatever.) It's a question she doesn't enjoy asking and I don't enjoy answering, so we try to buy correctly the first time. The peace of mind is worth it, to us. I hate it when I waste money by trying to be cheap.

Also, the Hondas at least have many accessories available, both by Honda and aftermarket, like bags, mounts, propane/natural gas conversion kits, etc. Yamahas have at least some of that, too. This brand may not have any of that available, which may or may not be a problem for you. (At some point I'd like to convert our generators to run on propane as well.)

If this makes me a member of the Honda mafia, then so be it. I have good reasons, after spending over $2K on a new Onan that was hard to start, burned oil, and stalled randomly. It worked, but it was hard to get it stable sometimes. The Hondas, on the other hand, have been excellent workhorses - 8+ hours on end, quietly powering our fridge, freezer, and a few other things during outages, for example.
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Skater, good points. We have found buying good, proven equipment and maintaining it properly is always the most economical choice.
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I've pulled the vendor cut-sheets on the Yamaha 2k and the Smarter Tool 2k with the Yamaha MZ-80 engine. The Yamaha does give a rated load noise db of 61 @ rated load. They both state 51.5db at idle; the Smarter Tool does not state a load db rating.

Both engines read identical specifications; I've requested more information from Yamaha as to the country of origin for their generator, as well as what they supply for the Smarter Tool Costco unit. However as you'all know, even if the engines are from the same assembly line, that's just a part of what would make this unit a feasible choice over the long-run. So, I am digging in a effort to find what vendors supply the alternator, rectifier, inverter, and peripherals for both units.

I try to keep my analysis from being anecdotal, since none of these vendors pay me anything for this, and let the chips fall where they may. I do know this: products from mainland China are almost the rule with global machine assemblies, such as servos, relays, stator/rotors, rectifiers, mica, rough and finished castings, fasteners (all grades metric and SAE), hydroformed frame sections, bearing assemblies (SKF Schweinfurt, Bower BCA - Timken from India), radial and mechanical seals, and electronic processors such as body, infotainment, and powertrain controls. No proof (yet), but it would not surprise me if the Red or Blue units do not have at least one systems component that is Chinese vended.

So we have to look deeper into the machine and find out who made the components. Yamaha carries significant branding clout, Zenghou does not (yet).

When I went into forensic analysis of why vehicle systems fail to perform or just fail, OMG I learned soooo much about how things are made nowadays, and the business model that created those creations. We've gotten to the point where, in our automobiles for example, the engine casting and perhaps 50% of the stampings are sourced internally; the rest are from a myriad of vendors such as Textron, that themselves backdoor from subcontractors. In 2003, for example, a major US pickup-truck manufacturer model changed much more radically that just a minor restyle; many sub and a few core components left the States. Even the frame is imported...the frame. So you tell, from a mechanics perspective, a 2001 versus a 2006 in the quality of door panels, servos, ignition switches, etc.

So, in closing to this ridiculously long meandering post, I have to look under the skin to know what the product really is nowadays; it's my vocation. When my friends here give me anecdotal feedback on something like this generator, it helps me zero-in on an analysis of the product and trend it. Not to mention I just like the discussion.
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Just checked the sticker on my Honda 2000i (new this spring): Made in Thailand!




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Old 11-03-2014, 11:12 AM   #75
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It's all confusing

I believe most of what drives our perception of a notion like:

"Honda is as reliable a generator as one can buy" is mostly driven by anecdote - but it seems none of the claims in this area are driven by long term research that would support or contradict such a belief.

So we are largely left to try and gain a sense of what is based on a survey of anecdotes - people we know - businesses experiences - an aggregate of online reviews - forums - etc

The result if this analysis is helpful but still with great limitations

I tend to believe a notion that "Honda makes dependable and quality generators" and so I'm willing to pay a hefty premium for it - but it's not dogma by any means


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The Smarter Tools one, with the Yamaha engine? I don't find it on sears.com except for a listing at a "marketplace" vendor, AMI Ventures, for $977.28.

At $529 I found one from "Power Smart" that doesn't claim it can be paralleled and doesn't mention who built the engine.
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One other thing: There's a Honda dealer (which sells everything but cars - mowers, 4 wheelers, trimmers, generators, motorcycles, snowblowers, mopeds, chainsaws...it's a pretty fun place) near me where I can get service if I ever need it. One of my generators was covered by that recall a couple years ago; all I had to do was drop it off there and pick it up a couple days later. A huge point in Honda's favor for me, at least.
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Here it is. Not sure if it is an exact match.

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Here it is. Not sure if it is an exact match.

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