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bredlo · 03-10-2004, 02:35 PM

Our '63 GT didn't come with those teardrop-shaped lights on the front or rear crowns (you know, the foreheads.)

I don't know whether or not to add them...

They've never been there, shall I leave well enough alone?

On the other hand, it's a classic, vintage look - it's almost as if they're pointing to the nameplate with pride.

Plus, I can only imagine it would make the trailer a bit safer, especially from behind at night.

Don't know if I should cut holes in a unbroken, vacuum-formed vintage aluminum for the sake of a few running lights. What does everyone think? Is it a more unique look without them?

Brad

Example photo from Midamrail (borrowed without permission, thanks Midamrail)

tin can luv · 03-10-2004, 04:25 PM

Don't ya love it when no one answers you questions....

I'm not an expert, still learning what's the right and wrong thing to do. But I think they are sharp. It's the epitome of vintage lighting. The question is, how will you get the wiring there?

bredlo · 03-10-2004, 04:46 PM

Well, as for wiring... once the guts are completely torn out, the inner skins removed, the body lifted off the frame (to sand and rustproof) and the old, soggy insulation all gone...

*pant, pant, pant*

...wiring up 3 baby lights on each end ain't gonna seem like a big deal!

bredlo · 03-10-2004, 04:49 PM

oh, and I totally agree about them being the epitome of the Airstream "look." It just doesn't seem quite complete without 'em, but I would think twice if someone came on here and said,
"According to some moldy records in Jackson Center... EVERY single 1963 had those lights, and because yours doesn't, it would be a crime against humanity to put them in!! It's the ONLY one like it in the WHOLE world and worth 10 times more becuase of the lack of lights!"

till · 03-10-2004, 04:59 PM

Ya know, I'm thinking of doing the same thing when I get my insides out. Maybe not the tear drop style, but the regular oval ones. Will be interesting to see this thread evolve....

uwe · 03-10-2004, 05:47 PM

I would prefer the look that you have now, especially if it's going to be polished. Very clean and uncluttered. But I often prefer minimalistic approaches.
I thin it looks cool to not have any of the lights and relfectors there.
Sort of like shaving door handles etc. on hot rods, only yours are factory like this.
Of course it would be a possibility that the segments had been replaced, and that the shop simply did not put the lights in. Does it have the front ones?

bredlo · 03-10-2004, 06:38 PM

Good Q, Uwe.

Nope, I'd bet $1800 (what I paid for it!) that it's stock. It'd been sitting in the woods for decades, and all pieces appear to be the exact same age. Doesn't have front or rear.

I agree on the minimalist approach, it's a clean look. I feel a little leery about not having the high mounted ones back there on dark highways at night though, which is why I'm leaning towards adding them in the first place.

bredlo · 03-10-2004, 06:53 PM

Might as well add another query onto my original one...

What's the official color usage for these running lights? Yellow in front, red in back? Red on both, and yellow along the sides of the trailer? I don't think I've ever figured that out.

Maybe there's no rhyme or reason to it, but in nautical usage there's the whole official green/starboard, red/port thing.

Just wondering.

tin can luv · 03-10-2004, 07:31 PM

So even though a lot of us have the 'what's it worth' in the back of our minds, do you have your airstream as an investment, or for pleasure. You should do whatever makes you happy, especially if it's a safety issue for you.

overlander64 · 03-10-2004, 09:00 PM

Greetings Brad!

There was quite a bit of discussion on the Vintage Airstream Club Discussion List several years ago regarding the DOT Clearance lights on the smaller Airstreams (I believe this included the Babmbi, Bambi II, Globetrotter, Caravel, and possibly Safari) of the early 1960s. It seems that on these smaller trailers of the period were not required to have these lights and thus were not equipped with them from the factory - - un less, of course, if a customer specifically requested them. In doing your restoration there wouldn't be anything to stop you from adding a set of lights, but you would also be adding potential leak points - - they were one of the biggest leak culprits on the rear of my '64 Overlander when I first purchased the coach.

You migh try checking out the VAC List archives at for the thread on clearance lights:

Viintage Airstream Club Discussion List Archives

Good luck with your restoration!

Kevin

53flyingcloud · 03-10-2004, 10:14 PM

I gotta hand it to Kevin..

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they were one of the biggest leak culprits on the rear of my '64 Overlander when I first purchased the coach.

My line of thoughts exactly~
Not only that but, the aluminum is special for that era and, if perchance ever find you need to replace or repair a mistake..You're out of luck..
Polishing without those lights being in the way is something else to consider.
IMHO, I'd leave it as "original" but...having said all of that..I'd like to wish you good luck on your project~!!
ciao
53FC

Cedars · 03-11-2004, 01:32 AM

I haven't read the entire thread but that's not going to stop me!

Do not add the lights. Yeah, they look really cool. And would look sooo-ooo good......
Aside from not being stock on your trailer (and hey! It's yours, do what you like with it) is the DOT factor. Department of Transportation. In Iowa known as IDOT, which we sometimes refer to as Idiot. Anyhow, the rules for enforcement of motor vehicle laws says all lights on a vehicle MUST work. More lights means greater potential for being stopped by some Idiot office needing tickets issued.... simply because you have a light out. And once they got you for one thing, soon the list grows expotientialy (sic) Cut your exposure rate, and leave them off. Oh! And remember to stay in the right hand lane except when told to be in some other lane....

Elizabeth in Iowa

bredlo · 03-11-2004, 08:23 AM

Nice, good points from Kevin and Elizabeth (in Iowa)!

I think when it all gets boiled down, I remember how I would've preferred to have them driving our trailer home, through the snow, at 11 p.m. outsize Bozeman last December. The trucks were flying by me, and I felt like the GT was this big dark boulder, blocking everyone from seeing my taillights. I would even turn on my hazard lights as soon as I saw the tiny headlights coming up behind me.

So... while I'm definitely leaning towards adding them, the vulnerability to leaks and giving reasons to pull me over if one burns out - are both great points, and I'll weigh it carefully in making a final decision.

Thanks all!

uwe · 03-11-2004, 11:07 AM

Bredlo,
There are other ways to make your rig visible.
Rework the original taillights, make them reeeaaaly bright, they have halogen bulbs available for the 1156/1157 series of bulbs.
Make sure the wiring is not corrodet, and that the grounding and bulb contacts are clean. Same with the trailer cord.
Another good way to go is to make the license light extra bright, it will illuminate a lot of the rear section of the trailer, giving plenty warning to vehicles approaching from the rear.
And, how about leaving on the light in the rear of the trailer, so that the window emits light.
Probably much more attention getting then the three little red lights on top.

Tinsel Loaf · 03-11-2004, 03:02 PM

Keep it original. It is vintage, if you add lights it will loose it's vintage value. It's beautiful the way it is.

bredlo · 03-11-2004, 05:25 PM

Tinsel,

Not that you don't have a good point in theory, but if you'd seen the inside of this thing, "vintage value" is the last concept that would come to mind. Though the skin is in great shape, the interior is a total loss, the door appearing to have been propped open to the Pacific northwest elements for decades.

Which suited my purposes wonderfully.
I have no plans to attempt a perfect restoration, but rather a reinterpretation of the Airstream idea. Think Ralph Lauren's re-dos, combined with new hardware. I'm thinking teak and holly flooring like the cabin of a yacht, chrome door handles from commercial walk-in refrigerators, etc. I'm also considering adding a porch light. They're just wonderful looking, and I think we'd make good use of it.

Because of my trailers poor shape my trailer's in -- missing nearly all original furniture, half the bathroom having fallen through the floor somewhere in Minnesota halfway home -- I won't lose any sleep over making really big changes. And, I'll sell the parts in good shape (lights, fixtures, etc.) to help other people stay original in their trailers.

Because I won't be ruining a perfectly restorable example of a vintage trailer, I think everyone wins!

Here's what I've got to clean out first...

uwe · 03-11-2004, 05:46 PM

Clean out what? You mean they're supposed to look different?

bredlo · 03-11-2004, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by uwe
Clean out what? You mean they're supposed to look different?

LOL!! Man, you couldn't have even made that joke if you'd actually smelled it in there! I stepped in and my foot went through the floor, so soggy was the blackened wood subfloor. I'm starting to gag just thinking about the cleansing process, but two things come to mind:

This,

and this:

overlander64 · 03-11-2004, 07:46 PM

Greetings Brad!

Quote:

I'm also considering adding a porch light. They're just wonderful looking, and I think we'd make good use of it.

These were actually options in the early 1960s. The porch light was typically in addition to the "scare light" mounted beside the entry door. The fixture on the trailer is a stainless single-outlet cover with a threaded cover that is unscrewed - - the light is then plugged in and a retainer ring is screwed on to lock the light fixture to the outlet. The outlet on my coach is controlled by a switch next to the window over the kitchen sink. This feature appears to be one that was discontinued around the end of the '68 model year. The photo below is of the installation on my '64 Overlander.

Good luck with your refurbishing projects!

Kevin

bredlo · 03-11-2004, 10:08 PM

Holy Moses, that's completely wild looking! Thanks so much for posting that, Kevin.

I'd say calling that a really unique look would be a big understatement. Gives me some neat ideas, though. When I said porch light, I think I meant what you're calling a "scare light," in other words the clear, round, white, flush-mounted lens. I've never seen anything like this though, how cool.