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03-12-2010, 02:18 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1966 26' Overlander
1966 26' Overlander
Vintage Kin Owner
From Parts Unknown
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Join Date: Jan 2008
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1966 Bowen Water Heater R.I.P.
Hey Gang-
Well all good things come to an end and the original 1966 Bowen Water Heater on my Safari Double finally corroded through. 43.5 years-- the last ten of heavy use...
I have been reading old posts and am unclear which fits the original hole better. A ten or 6 gallon?? Suburban or Atwood?
I have all the original exterior sheet metal cover parts for the Bowen in good shape and want to "dress out" the new water heater with the assembly in some way, most likely non functional. Does any one have photos of what can be done?
Thanks in advance for any help...
The Prof.
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Alex Kensington, Full Timing with
Charon Henning, The Most Dangerous Beauty Alive™
1966 Safari Overlander & 1961 Safari
1956 Spartan Imperial Mansion
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03-12-2010, 04:04 PM
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Rivet Master
1967 22' Safari
1960 Caravel
Edmonds
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Join Date: Aug 2004
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Hi Prof, It is not the size of the opening the is a problem. It's the depth of the new water heater that is. I had to go with a 6-gallon in my Safari. The 10-gallon would have stuck out in the living area. Get the tape measure out your results may vary. Atwood and Suburban are good at giving the dimensions and don't forget room for the water connectors.
Scott (goransons) did a nice job on his cover for the new W/H. http://www.airforums.com/forums/f150...tml#post744489. I did something similar, but not as nice IMO.
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1973 F-250 4X4 390
1965 Chevy Suburban 454
AIR 6030
WBCCI 4258
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03-12-2010, 07:10 PM
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Rivet Master
1963 22' Safari
2020 27' Globetrotter
State of
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 2,512
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Quote:
Originally Posted by silverleeper
Hi Prof, It is not the size of the opening the is a problem. It's the depth of the new water heater that is. I had to go with a 6-gallon in my Safari. The 10-gallon would have stuck out in the living area. Get the tape measure out your results may vary. Atwood and Suburban are good at giving the dimensions and don't forget room for the water connectors.
Scott (goransons) did a nice job on his cover for the new W/H. http://www.airforums.com/forums/f150...tml#post744489. I did something similar, but not as nice IMO.
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Those photos weren't my work, but a shop. I'm in the process of replicating their work, but need to get my floor and black tank installed, then save up for the new WH. Hopefully when I get my version done you can claim I did a good job
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1963 Safari from the 1963-64 Around the World Caravan
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03-12-2010, 07:35 PM
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Rivet Master
1965 28' Ambassador
Irving
, Texas
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 604
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheProfessor
Hey Gang-
Well all good things come to an end and the original 1966 Bowen Water Heater on my Safari Double finally corroded through. 43.5 years-- the last ten of heavy use...
I have been reading old posts and am unclear which fits the original hole better. A ten or 6 gallon?? Suburban or Atwood?
I have all the original exterior sheet metal cover parts for the Bowen in good shape and want to "dress out" the new water heater with the assembly in some way, most likely non functional. Does any one have photos of what can be done?
Thanks in advance for any help...
The Prof.
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Check the thread"Heat Vent on Skin" for a modification.I just puled my 65 Bowen tank in perfect shape.Going tankless. Steve
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03-12-2010, 07:37 PM
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Rivet Master
1967 22' Safari
1960 Caravel
Edmonds
, Washington
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 2,499
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Quote:
Originally Posted by goransons
Those photos weren't my work, but a shop. I'm in the process of replicating their work, but need to get my floor and black tank installed, then save up for the new WH. Hopefully when I get my version done you can claim I did a good job
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Common Scott, Go just go with it.
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1973 F-250 4X4 390
1965 Chevy Suburban 454
AIR 6030
WBCCI 4258
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03-12-2010, 07:38 PM
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Rivet Master
1966 24' Tradewind
Placerville
, California
Join Date: Apr 2006
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Here is my experience 3 years ago. Love the Atwood. http://www.airforums.com/forums/f445...-in-36653.html
Neil
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1966 Trade Wind
1971 Buick Centurion convertible
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1969 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight
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03-12-2010, 07:40 PM
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4 Rivet Member
Join Date: Feb 2002
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Suburban heater
I just went through this. I chose the 6 gal Suburban heater since the burner and exhaust is configured like the Bowen was. We have one week of camping now using the smaller tank and can say we saw no difference from the smaller tank. But we use the button on the shower wand. I chose the manual light Suburban to keep out the added complications of eletronic ignition.
I also saved the old Bowen cover. Attached is a pix showing the mods I made. The Bowen chimney isn't on in this pix.
I had to:
1. cut a hole in the cover to get to the valve
2. add an extension to the Suburban exhaust to ensure the exhaust goes into the Bowen chimney.
3. patch the old gap (under the new vent)
I then installed a piano hinge ( pix tomorrow) on the front side of the chimney so as to easily gain access to the gas valve when lighting the heater.
The second pix shows how much smaller the Suburban is. I patched the open space with aluminum. All the connections gas, hot and cold water are in new places so I had to redo the plumbing. This was the harder part of the install.
We gained space in the closet which is nice in a small trailer.
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03-12-2010, 08:42 PM
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Rivet Master
1963 22' Safari
2020 27' Globetrotter
State of
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Join Date: Jul 2007
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Looks good herb, how did you get the textured aluminum so shiny? never had much luck polishing that type of stuff.
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VAC LIBRARIAN WBCCI 8671
1963 Safari from the 1963-64 Around the World Caravan
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03-13-2010, 04:32 AM
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2 Rivet Member
1966 26' Overlander
1966 26' Overlander
Vintage Kin Owner
From Parts Unknown
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Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 58
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Brilliant work Herb- But that's what you do! I am inspired. Yesterday afternoon was a long one when I realized my situation. We're courtesy camped with very good friends. Debating whether to wear out my welcome here or try this at Mystic Springs, about an hour away.
Thanks Every one for the great photos! It helps and is an inspiration.
Alexander-
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Charon Henning, The Most Dangerous Beauty Alive™
1966 Safari Overlander & 1961 Safari
1956 Spartan Imperial Mansion
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03-13-2010, 07:36 AM
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Rivet Master
1974 Argosy 26
Morrill
, Nebraska
Join Date: Nov 2009
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Boy! I didn't have to go to that much work. I removed a 6 gallon Bowen and replaced it with a 6 gallon Atwood. Even used the same door. It took about 2 hrs.
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03-13-2010, 07:41 AM
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Rivet Master
Airstream Dealer
Corona
, California
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TG Twinkie
Boy! I didn't have to go to that much work. I removed a 6 gallon Bowen and replaced it with a 6 gallon Atwood. Even used the same door. It took about 2 hrs.
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As of many years ago, Atwood is the new name for Bowen.
Same company.
Andy
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03-13-2010, 05:53 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1958 22' Flying Cloud
Saint Helena
, California
Join Date: Jul 2006
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I did the same thing as Herb in my '58 Flying Cloud. I had to buy a couple of flare fittings for the hot/cold piping, but not a ton of modifications required beyond a couple of pieces of copper tubing. The old Bowen external door/vent should be reused! The new hatchcovers are really ugly. Simple to modify with tinsnips. I used Home Despot alum flashing (roll) to remake the "inner wall." A few strips and some pop rivets to hold the wall insulation in place.
(6 gallon Suburban purchased from Kearby RV Center - best price at the time.)
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03-14-2010, 07:49 AM
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2 Rivet Member
1966 26' Overlander
1966 26' Overlander
Vintage Kin Owner
From Parts Unknown
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Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 58
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Got the old water heater out with no problem and purchased a 6 gallon suburban off the shelf. Wanted a 10 gallon but the lead time is too long and shipping was prohibitive. Looks like good weather for the project.... as if I needed another one.... Thanks for the help gang!
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Charon Henning, The Most Dangerous Beauty Alive™
1966 Safari Overlander & 1961 Safari
1956 Spartan Imperial Mansion
TCT Since 2002, 8728,
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03-14-2010, 09:14 AM
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Rivet Master
1962 22' Safari
1957 22' Custom
1963 16' Bambi
Vacationland
, Maine
Join Date: Apr 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheProfessor
Got the old water heater out with no problem and purchased a 6 gallon suburban off the shelf. Wanted a 10 gallon but the lead time is too long and shipping was prohibitive. Looks like good weather for the project.... as if I needed another one.... Thanks for the help gang!
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I put a 10 gallon Suburban in my Safari but learned 6 gallon would work fine as the water heats up so quickly. If it is ON it is hot. and that is 4 gallons less to carry around also.
One huge improvement is the DSI option. I also got the model with an electric element but have never used it.
Also revented and used old cover.
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03-14-2010, 07:27 PM
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4 Rivet Member
Join Date: Feb 2002
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final pixs of original Bowen Chimney cover on new Suburban
I took a set of pixs of the way I hinged the original Bowen chimney cover to cover the new 6 gallon Suburban water heater. I put a aluminum piano hinge on the front edge of the chimney cover and used camlocks on the rear to hold it closed. I also installed a small piano hinged door to cover the hold that allows access to the gas valve. The worst mistake I made was in ordering the paino hinges from McMaster-Carr. It always takes me a while to dig thru Macmaster's web site. But I zeroed in on 12 inch and a 6 inch aluminum piano hinges and ordered them. But to my surprise when they arrived I had ordered 12 feet and 6 feet of hinges. It was still fairly cheap. I just cut off what I needed and put the rest in my stock of spares.
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03-14-2010, 10:01 PM
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Rivet Master
1963 22' Safari
2020 27' Globetrotter
State of
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Join Date: Jul 2007
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Looks great, but how did you get that textured material so clean? soda blasting? wheel cleaner?
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1963 Safari from the 1963-64 Around the World Caravan
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03-15-2010, 04:54 AM
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4 Rivet Member
Join Date: Feb 2002
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I polished it with a buffing wheel and the waxy bars.
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03-15-2010, 08:59 PM
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Rivet Master
1965 28' Ambassador
Irving
, Texas
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 604
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Looks great Herb! Harbor Freight here I come for that buffing wheel.Did the Suburban 10 gal. exhaust at the same place too?
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03-15-2010, 09:41 PM
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Mini Rivet
1975 25' Tradewind
Holland
, Michigan
Join Date: Sep 2008
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bwaysteve, did I read correctly that you took out a Bowens water heater in perfect shape?
Would you be willing to sell it to me?
Bruce
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03-23-2010, 06:58 AM
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2 Rivet Member
1966 26' Overlander
1966 26' Overlander
Vintage Kin Owner
From Parts Unknown
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Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 58
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The new heater went in well despite being a pretty big job to do while on the road. Thanks to all who offered advise. Herb's solution to the problems are the simplest and best I've researched. The hinged Chimney is a good idea, and I was able to find foot long stainless piano hinge of the shelf at Lowe's, which trimmed easily. The six gallon suburban gets hot very fast, and seems to last even through a long shower.
Also the burner is much quieter. I wrapped the whole water heater in that silver bubble pack insulation that you can also get from Lowe's. The water stays hot very long and the heater cycles so much less because of it. That stuff was developed by NASA-- or so I'm told-- and if you duct rape together a bag of it, makes for a great beer cooler!!
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Charon Henning, The Most Dangerous Beauty Alive™
1966 Safari Overlander & 1961 Safari
1956 Spartan Imperial Mansion
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