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01-15-2017, 11:01 AM
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2 Rivet Member
1974 25' Tradewind
Lexington
, Kentucky
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 76
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Blue tote instead of black tank ?
Folks I need some advice.
For reference:
We have redone the frame and have replaced the floor in the (rear) bath (Sept. 2016).
What do you think about not having a black tank and let the toilet go directly into a blue tote?
Maybe about 15 gallons (but dump when about 10 gallons full) that could be walked to the dump station every 2 days or so and dump the gray water tank when leaving the campground?
Another question....if we are at Walmart for 1 night.....do we hook up "old blue" ....probably not!!!!!!!!
We have bought the toilet several months ago and cannot return it and buying a composting toilet is out.
Does "black and blue" work for any of you?
Thanks
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01-15-2017, 11:15 AM
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Rivet Master
Airstream - Other
2016 Interstate Grand Tour Ext
Bosque Farms
, New Mexico
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 7,030
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Ah, not too fun. We have been using the blue boy a lot recently. It is ok on nice days, but less than satisfactory on rainy, nasty days like today.
Lynn
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01-15-2017, 03:02 PM
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Rivet Master
1995 25' Excella
xxxxx
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Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 2,351
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No thanks
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01-15-2017, 03:13 PM
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Rivet Master
2024 23' Flying Cloud
San Antonio
, Texas
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 502
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I have never successfully used my tote without some type of "slop" getting on my hands (gloved), shoes, etc. There is absolutely no way I would ever put black water in a tote. Gray water in the tote is bad enough, and is my absolute outer limit.
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01-15-2017, 03:15 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1975 31' Sovereign
Palomar Mountain
, California
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 355
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Would not consider it.
Why not place the tank above floor with the toilet on top of it?
We older folks have trouble finding a toilet tall enough to not have to squat down to use anyway. I bought the tallest they make and it's still hard for my wife to use. They design them for midgets.
The older AS I looked at used this approach and seemed to work fine.
They also had the fresh water tank up front behind the couch on top of the floor. Simplified everything.
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01-16-2017, 11:24 AM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Taos
, New Mexico
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 566
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all the same words and opinions come to mind as above. I don't think it's going to end up being quite as simple as "going to the dump station and dumping" it - especially with an audience waiting in line to make their stop on the way in or out. The blue boys are really intended to be for grey water waste for those of us with no grey water tank (but plenty of grey hair) ...
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01-16-2017, 11:27 AM
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2 Rivet Member
1962 22' Safari
Jackson
, Mississippi
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 20
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I don't use a black tank. I have a Thetford Porta Potti Curve that works great for us. Super clean and tidy and have never had even a drip out of it when taking it to the dump station. We try to reserve it for night time use and emergency on the road use primarily though. I use a blue boy for gray water and agree that I would not want black water in it. Alway a little spillage when moving it and dumping it.
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01-16-2017, 11:34 AM
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Rivet Master
1973 Argosy 24
hartselle
, Alabama
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 582
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My 73 has no grey water tank and I have to use a blue boy when sewer connection isn't available. Dumping grey water from a blue boy is not a fun endeavor, no thanks on dumping black water from one. In my Argosy the black tank is above the floor with the toilet on top of it. Another thought is what issues will arise if you ever decide to sale your trailer. I for one would not buy a trailer that didnt have a black tank, and my Argosy will be the last trailer I own without a grey tank.
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01-16-2017, 11:47 AM
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Len and Jeanne
2005 16' International CCD
2015 19' Flying Cloud
Creston Valley
, British Columbia
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,793
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We have a blue "biffy box" for emergency overflow issues only. Thankfully we've not had to use it. You still have to get to an RV sani-dump to dump it and to clean the thing out. Thoroughly.
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01-16-2017, 12:09 PM
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Rivet Master
2015 25' Flying Cloud
2016 30' Flying Cloud
Blenheim Ontario
, Ontario
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 1,263
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HAH!!!
Those of us with later model 30 footers or so, have to content with Airstream's 'Stoopid' idea of running the bathroom sink drain into the black water tank.
This configuration fills up the black tank a lot faster, requiring dumping sooner.
This is NOT good where there is no sewer fixtures at your camp spot, or if 'boondocking'.
One of my outings in June, the campspot has no sewage. Does this mean that I have to buy a 'Blueboy"?
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01-16-2017, 12:20 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 30' Classic
Oswego
, Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 13,669
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MelGoddard
HAH!!!
Those of us with later model 30 footers or so, have to content with Airstream's 'Stoopid' idea of running the bathroom sink drain into the black water tank.
This configuration fills up the black tank a lot faster, requiring dumping sooner.
This is NOT good where there is no sewer fixtures at your camp spot, or if 'boondocking'.
One of my outings in June, the campspot has no sewage. Does this mean that I have to buy a 'Blueboy"?
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I actually wish mine was plumbed that way (it's not). I always am full of gray water with quite a bit less than half full of black.
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01-16-2017, 04:42 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2007 25' Safari
Attleboro
, Massachusetts
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 71
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Instead of a "blue boy" I have a Thetford Smart Tote. It is effortless to fill even if the trailer is too close to the ground. And it has wheels in the front in case it's heavy. And it's equally mindless to empty. I empty both black and grey into it every couple days or so and walk it to the dump station...without touching or smelling the stuff.
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01-16-2017, 04:54 PM
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Sag Harbor
, New York
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 17,523
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Twinkie
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What do you think about not having a black tank and let the toilet go directly into a blue tote?
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A lousy idea IMO which will seriously diminish the resale value of your AS.
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01-16-2017, 06:28 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2006 25' Safari
Signal Mountain
, Tennessee
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 450
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How would it be vented?
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01-16-2017, 09:53 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2013 19' International
Colorado Springs
, Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 32
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Cassette toilet
I visited the Earthroamer factory on I-25 north of Denver. Their $400,000, 28 ft. Motorhome uses a casette toilet. It looks brilliant and ultimately flexible. Everything I've read about these toilets is positive except for the limited storage but 5 gallons is relatively easy to move around. You can empty in any pit or regular toilet. No need to wait for a dump station. I would be glad to have one in my AS. Options are good.
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01-17-2017, 07:09 AM
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Rivet Master
1973 Argosy 24
hartselle
, Alabama
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 582
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AL4411
I visited the Earthroamer factory on I-25 north of Denver. Their $400,000, 28 ft. Motorhome uses a casette toilet. It looks brilliant and ultimately flexible. Everything I've read about these toilets is positive except for the limited storage but 5 gallons is relatively easy to move around. You can empty in any pit or regular toilet. No need to wait for a dump station. I would be glad to have one in my AS. Options are good.
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When I bought my Argosy back in 2000, it was really only used for a hunting camp. I removed the standard toilet and installed a cassette toilet (porta potty). Once the family and I started using our trailer for travel and vacation it didn't take long for the toilet to become a sore spot in the conversation. With a family of four the cassette toilet had to be dumped daily. It's never any fun to need to use the restroom only to find its full and must be dumped before reliving yourself. We are back to a flush toilet and our black tank.
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01-17-2017, 07:55 AM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Mantua
, Ohio
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 7,062
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The cassette toilets as they use in Europe are emptied from the outside, no need to carry through the trailer.
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01-17-2017, 09:09 AM
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Rivet Master
2015 25' Flying Cloud
2016 30' Flying Cloud
Blenheim Ontario
, Ontario
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 1,263
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Quote:
Originally Posted by otra15
a lousy idea imo which will seriously diminish the resale value of your as.
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agree!
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01-17-2017, 09:10 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1990 34' Limited
2013 27' FB International
Conroe
, Texas
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 208
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If you plan to go without the black tank, Go with a composting toilet you would be better off.
Thomas
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01-17-2017, 09:13 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Sag Harbor
, New York
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 17,523
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbeck11931
If you plan to go without the black tank, Go with a composting toilet you would be better off.
Thomas
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Don't most of the composting toilets require that you divert the urine to another container? [not the grey water tank preferably, as I understand it]
Why not keep the black tank for use when needed, even if a composting toilet is installed?
Guess I am missing the convenience of not having any black water tank . . .
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