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Old 02-16-2009, 02:08 PM   #41
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Awning Screen Rooms - When I first got my former A/S I considered a adding the screen curtains to my awning. As it happened the next day we had a wind storm come in. As I scrambled to get my awning down with the wind suddenly gusting (and fortunately had a neighbor help me) I thought to myself, "Self" I said, "If I were trying to take down the curtains first I'd be totally screwed"

I also find that I'm content with the awning, a citronella candle and an endless breeze fan to discourage the skeeters.

If I wanted a vintage look at a bargain price I might get a free-standing screen room and perhaps paint the canvas with pink or blue stripes, or find one that came with a vintage zipdee fabric on it.

My sister is a medieval reinactor (Penzic War Wagon bumper sticker on her van) who has a 10 x 10 with striped roof and sidewalls to mimic a knights tent. A few people have yurts with stripes, and a few really do have oval canvas pavillions complete with three poles and flags flying from each one. Now THAT's Vintage.

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Old 02-16-2009, 02:17 PM   #42
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I am leaning toward a pole awning though, especially one without ropes.
The picture you posted is very cool, I'll research the business that RJ used and see what I can come up with. Thank you.
Let us know. A pole awning without ropes sounds ideal to me. I would buy one of the frames shown/discussed without poles.
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Old 02-16-2009, 02:22 PM   #43
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I make the Vintage Look rope and pole awnings and rally window awnings for Airstreams. The awnings have scallopped valances on three sides, the window awnings have a scallopped valance on the front edge. I have a variety of Sunbrella fabrics available. PM me for more information.
We just received our awning from Kristi and are very happy with it. She answered all questions promptly and worked very quick to finish. It looks fantastic and goes up easily, 10 minutes on our first try. Just had to buy our own poles @ $4.99 each and some rope. First class material and workmanship and at a cost significantly lower than others. We are headed to the coast this weekend if the weather cooperates and can't wait to use it. Will post pics when we return. Thank Kristi!!

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Old 02-16-2009, 02:44 PM   #44
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In looking at the lengths of the arms, it is a "patio awning."

Sorry Shari.

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I was just looking at the posted picture and the scale was hard to gauge...looked small to me. I don't doubt that you would be better able to recognize the parts & pieces better than I.

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Old 02-16-2009, 02:57 PM   #45
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Shari;

A Caravel measures 83.25" from rear rib to front rib on center. The picture is the patio awning at 79.75" long (material and cover) plus 2.25' for the roller cap (metal roller attachment) The awning in the picture is just under 7ft. long. It may look smaller.
Yep, that sure did play tricks with the scale!

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I'm sure a pole awning for a Caravel will not weight 62lbs. You could weigh yours and tell me, I could be wrong.

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You're right - no where close to 62lbs. I'll have to weigh it, but my guess would be the fabric part weighs less than 12-15lbs and the aluminum poles probably about 8-10lbs if that.

The ropeless one weighs more because there are more poles and the canvas is coated.

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Old 02-16-2009, 05:59 PM   #46
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Thanks for the info Gerr. My dilema is that I have a new Zip Dee in a box that was part of the trailer purchase so paying a premium for a Zip Dee awning is not the issue, I already own one. I am leaning toward a pole awning though, especially one without ropes.
After researching awning's without rope's which sounds very cool, found a site where they still had to support the base of the pole and also had to add weights. Good luck on your choice.........toastie
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Old 02-16-2009, 06:16 PM   #47
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Looking at the picture in post #40, it looks like the trailer does not have an awning rail.
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Old 02-16-2009, 06:38 PM   #48
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Your right, I'll buy the awning rail after I decide which type of awning I'm going to use that way I can nudge it one way or another to fit the awning.

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Old 02-16-2009, 06:46 PM   #49
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I noticed that toastie has his awning rail about as high on the trailer as you can get it, just below the fridge vent. It looks like that gives the awning an "away-from-the-trailer" slope and a little more door clearance. Looks good to me.
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I think it is that high to clear the vent over the stove. It would make taking a vintage awning up and down a little harder to do, but not impossible.
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Old 02-16-2009, 07:31 PM   #51
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Hi, Gerr.
I was just curious to know how your awning manages in a good breeze. You know with no tie down lines and all.
Bob,
We have had no problems in winds and we have been in some. In the base of the vertical poles there are holes where we always drive some 4inch nails through.
I am not sure about canvasreplacements.com but contact RJ the webmaster at vintageairstream.com and ask him how he dealt with them.
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Old 02-16-2009, 08:16 PM   #52
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contact RJ the webmaster at vintageairstream.com and ask him how he dealt with them.
I've actually done that, with no reply as of yet.
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Old 02-16-2009, 10:01 PM   #53
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We believe you paid a super premium for your Zip Dee. The Zip Dee price today is only $1404.00, complete, for 12 foot awning, plus freight.

Depending on size, and options, installation takes 1 1/2 to 3 hours.

The following are some of Zip Dee's regular price's for just the awning, that uses one of the 79 standard colors that they offer, as of this date.

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length reg price
10' $714.00
12' 802.00
14' 885.00
16' 968.00
18' 1055.00
20' 1138.00
21' 1182.00

To that, you must add the price of the bright contour hardware, which is $602.00

As an option, adding a center support costs $110.00.

Prices for other sizes are comparable.

This should help clear the confusion.

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Andy, you're right! I looked up my records and it was $1,400.00, plus freight and install. By the way, you folks are the ones that I purchased it from and installed it! I'm the guy that used to bring treats for Corky. How is my little friend? Take a look at my pictures and see how nice it turned out!
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Gerr,
Thank you for answering my question about the wind. I have sent a little Air Karma your way.
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Old 02-17-2009, 08:47 AM   #55
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Andy, you're right! I looked up my records and it was $1,400.00, plus freight and install. By the way, you folks are the ones that I purchased it from and installed it! I'm the guy that used to bring treats for Corky. How is my little friend? Take a look at my pictures and see how nice it turned out!
Very nice.

Corky is doing great, in spite of his near blindness because of the cataracks, due to diabetes.

He always loves to mooch doggie cookies.

He says "good morning" to you.

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Thanks to all of you who responded to my dilemma of "Zip Dee or Vintage". I learned an awful lot about both types of awnings thanks to the forums vast, collective experience. Ironically, I'm going for a third option. My mind is made up and I'm setting my course for relatively unchartered territory, even if I have to manufacture it myself, I'm going for a: Rope-less, Frame Awning!

I've seen a couple of examples, (Shari's and R J Dial's) and have concluded that these awnings are both very cool and functional, especially on a small Caravel. This is what I'm thinking:

Positives:

Bigger shade foot print (the Zip Dee I have is only about 79" X 79").
No support arm to run into by the door.
A clean uncluttered look to the trailer when the awning is not in use.
Much lighter (my very small Zip Dee weighs 62 lbs.).
I can store the awning easily in my pickup within a tube mounted to ceiling
of the shell over the trucks bed.
I can mount it without having to remove or modify the stove vent cover.
It will occupy less space without the guy-lines staked beyond the awning.
I will save lots of money.
Someone will get a new Zip Dee awning for a less than new price.
( I see this as a positive others would see it as a negative).
Less complicated, less to go wrong, don't need a service technician to repair.
Replacement parts are cheap.
Aesthetically, for me, it's just totally cool man.

Negatives:

It is less convenient
Special pockets for the frame poles will have to be sewn into the canvas.
The frames are not readily available (I may have to make it myself).
They take a bit more time to set up and take down (however, what else are you going to do at your campsite all day).

And finally, the wind issue is still up for debate, no clear winner here.

Thank you for indulging my personal dilemma, hopefully you have found some information here useful. Please feel free to add, edit, correct, or enlighten me further, but for now...

Thank you,

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My pole awning is permanently attached to the trailer. I made a pole frame for it that works very well. In high winds where my friends with their awnings have had to roll them in mine stays up. I do supplement the poles with ropes when wind is part of the equation or if we are going to be away from the trailer for a while as we never know about wind coming up. It works very well and my neighbor who bought my Silver Streak did an updated version of mine using the elbows one finds on boat tops that fold up and out of the way. His is much cleaner looking in how the poles fold up as part of rolling the awning up, but what we really like is that nothing needs to go into the trailer, it is all folded up nicely in the awning. I will probably update the two poles on mine that don't have the elbows and add a center pole which he has done having looked at mine to determine what improvements could be made. He did a great job.

I can put mine up and down alone in less than ten minutes but with my wife or a helper it is less than five as there is not the hassle of sliding the awning into the rail. It rolls up nicely and is not intrusive although I'd build a silver one next time rather than the blue. Mine does not have the scallops but I intend to have them made up with either snaps or velcro and include in that a way to hang my awning lights.

I've thought about a Z-D and like the simple set up and take down but I love the look of a vintage awning. I guess a snap on set of scallops would also work on a Z-D if a person wanted them. I've yet to figure out the best way to do that (snaps or velcro) but I've got a buddy who is a retired upholsterer who I'm going to tap for his knowledge one day when he's not too grumpy .

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Sheridan, Glad you made the decision to go with the rope-less framed version. Try to find the nice old style canvas for the true vintage look.Sunbrella fabric is nice but I don't think it looks Vintage enough.You won't be sorry. We love ours.
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We have a Caravel and an old awning . Help how the heck does it hook on the rail????????
Help Help ! thanks in advance.
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We have a Caravel and an old awning . Help how the heck does it hook on the rail????????
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It slides into the awning rail.

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