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Old 06-22-2014, 10:44 AM   #1
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Awning in the way of the door

I'm still learning all of the nuances of the AS and the Zip Dee awning on my 2006 Safari. When I unroll the awning about halfway and secure the arms, it doesn't provide much shade but we're able to get in and out OK.

If I unroll the awning all the way, the entire side of the AS is shaded, even if we have to duck under the edge when we go out. The problem is that the door won't open but maybe a third, striking the awning. I can open the door first, close the screen, then deploy the awning and we can open the screen door a little more but not even halfway. I'm afraid we're going to tear the awning.

Am I doing something wrong or is this the way it's supposed to be?
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Old 06-22-2014, 10:59 AM   #2
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It sounds to me like you have not raised the awning up after you have unrolled it. There is a pin on each awning arm which you can pull, allowing the center tube to slide in the outer tube to raise either, or both ends high enough so the door clears the awning and you get more height. You can also slope the awning so rain pours off to one side or the other.

To let the awning down to roll it up, you will pull the same pin and allow the tubes to slide back into each other at the lowest position.
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Old 06-22-2014, 11:00 AM   #3
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Are you sure the awning arms are fully extended, all the way up?


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Old 06-22-2014, 11:00 AM   #4
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Awning must be raised up not part way. unrolled part way or fully must be raised to clear top of door also you can in stall roller on top of door as Zip-Dee recommends to to stop rubbing on fabric or tearing.
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Old 06-22-2014, 11:37 AM   #5
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This is what the awning door roller looks like from Zip Dee. This is intended to allow a door to gently roll under an awning that lightly scrapes the top of the door when opening. It is not intended to address the issue of a door being blocked by the awning at the 2/3 or 1/2 way open point. It sounds to me as someone has previously indicated that your awning is not being fully extended.
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Old 06-22-2014, 11:37 AM   #6
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Here is a video showing the proper way to open and close your awning:

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Old 06-22-2014, 12:24 PM   #7
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Ah! Thanks, everyone
I see what I was missing. I did everything the video shows except the last step where you push the awning out and up to extend those support arms. I was trying to pull/push on the arms themselves and could only get to the first position. Now I see that the way to do it is to push on the awning from the AS side while lifting it. That will raise the awning to its full height.

I knew I was missing something
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Old 06-22-2014, 12:41 PM   #8
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Huh, what do ya know? I learn something every time I come here.

I was making the awning deployment much more difficult than this.
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The roller is nice. I'm going to look into getting one. My PO made used a piece of plywood about 9x4 inches that had a piece of split rubber hose on it. He wedged it between the top of the door frame and the awning. It lifts the awning just enough so the door doesn't scrape.

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Old 06-22-2014, 03:35 PM   #10
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If you do not have lift handles on arms they really help also spray some silicone inside of arms will keep from binding raising or lowering
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Nothing unique about that wheel thing. It looks like a swivel caster wheel with the bearing part removed.

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Old 06-22-2014, 06:21 PM   #12
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Nothing unique about that wheel thing. It looks like a swivel caster wheel with the bearing part removed.

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The ones I have seen don't swivel, they are a fixed roller, but they do the job.

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I had a feeling you were not extending the awning all the way open. There are four holes/positions for the upper support arms, and if we don't go all the way to the fourth hole on the end where the door is, our door hits the awnging, too. We lower to rear arm to the 3rd hole if we need to create a rain run-off slope...
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The 'rafter' arm (upper arm, runs along the edge of the awning) has several slots or clicks. When I follow the instruction in the video I just let it click to the first one, but there are more. I don't know what they are for, maybe longer awnings.

The other arms (support arms?) are the ones I wasn't opening properly. I just pulled or pushed on them to the first click. Since it was pretty hard to move it I was afraid to force it. After watching the video I see that it's supposed to go up then out. Pushing the awing roll while pulling up on the support arm made it easy. I will also take Featherbedder's advice and use some dry spray silicone on the sliding areas to eliminate the sticking.

Now, with the awning deployed, the door doesn't even touch it.
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Old 06-22-2014, 07:50 PM   #15
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The ones I have seen don't swivel, they are a fixed roller, but they do the job.

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And I am going to find one that is stainless steel. My old one on there now is disgustingly rusty.
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If you find some difficulty raising the awning arms maybe they need to be taken apart for cleaning and lubrication. Not a difficult job but if you check out the Zip-Dee website they have a link to a few maintenance jobs and one is just that. I did it on during our last trip out but haven't raised it since so I'll find out next week. I was finding mine were sticking and took some effort to raise and lower.
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Old 06-23-2014, 09:34 AM   #17
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If you find some difficulty raising the awning arms maybe they need to be taken apart for cleaning and lubrication. Not a difficult job but if you check out the Zip-Dee website they have a link to a few maintenance jobs and one is just that. I did it on during our last trip out but haven't raised it since so I'll find out next week. I was finding mine were sticking and took some effort to raise and lower.
I can't keep it here at the house, just took it back to the storage lot. I agree, it needs some maintenance work and cleaning. The PO said it came loose on him while he was going down the highway. He had the fabric replaced but there is a lot of play in the screws and the arms at both the trailer side and at the roller end caps. The arms stick and are getting difficult to move. They don't seem to line up exactly like they show in the video. The support arm seems higher/longer than the rafter arm when you have it rolled up. Makes it difficult to get the locking wheels on. I have small bungees at the top and bottom to keep them side by side and prevent them coming open when I travel.

Before our next trip I'll check out the Zip Dee site for some information. It'll be a good morning project.
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We had that problem of awning getting teased out from under the roller by a high wind at JUST the right angle on a recent trip. Found out that we didn't have the roller tensioned quite enough. It is not difficult to do, but you need 2 people for safety. We also put a second latch on the awning near the front for peace of mind.

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Rich, if you're lookin to do some awning arm maintenance while on the road it's an easy job if you're prepared with a few simple items. A couple of box or open end wrenches. I think they were 7/16" to remove the hinge bolt at the bottom. A can of spray silicone lube and some scotch brite pads to scrub the arms clean. That's it. When you watch the video it will really be that easy. While you're at it eyeball them just to make sure they are straight. A bend, even a very little one, just might be the cause of sticky arms.
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Rich, if you're lookin to do some awning arm maintenance while on the road it's an easy job if you're prepared with a few simple items. A couple of box or open end wrenches. I think they were 7/16" to remove the hinge bolt at the bottom. A can of spray silicone lube and some scotch brite pads to scrub the arms clean. That's it. When you watch the video it will really be that easy. While you're at it eyeball them just to make sure they are straight. A bend, even a very little one, just might be the cause of sticky arms.
I have all of that and thanks for the tip on the videos. I am surprised that they actually tell you to bend the arm back in place. I've learned that I need to bend mine, probably because of the accident by the PO. The arms aren't exactly lined up. Maybe I can remove the bolts and bend them to line up better to each other and the locking wheel.

In the "lubricate" video I like where he says "... these arms should be lubricated every 2-3 month, most never lubricate them" and he just keeps on going.
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