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09-27-2019, 07:22 PM
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Airstringers
2023 23' Flying Cloud
Irving
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What’s behind the mouse fur.
I’m replacing interior lights with LED fixtures. New hole positions don’t match old hole positions. Can I just put new screws in different place? Don’t know what’s behind the mouse fur and if it will hold securely. Any info appreciated.
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09-27-2019, 07:46 PM
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Half a Rivet Short
2017 30' Classic
2022 Interstate 24X
Carlisle
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: May 2017
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Hi
Assuming we're talking about the coating on the interior walls of some trailers, it's just "stuff" glued over aluminum. Once you have the old fixture out it *should* be very obvious just what is what. Indeed these trailers are packed with this and that. There is *always* a chance of hitting something when drilling random holes. You very much need to check before putting new holes in.
Bob
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09-27-2019, 08:13 PM
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Airstringers
2023 23' Flying Cloud
Irving
, Texas
Join Date: Apr 2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by uncle_bob
Hi
Assuming we're talking about the coating on the interior walls of some trailers, it's just "stuff" glued over aluminum. Once you have the old fixture out it *should* be very obvious just what is what. Indeed these trailers are packed with this and that. There is *always* a chance of hitting something when drilling random holes. You very much need to check before putting new holes in.
Bob
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So there is an interior aluminum skin as well as the outside?
The covering (mouse fur) is glued to the interior skin?
The existing fixtures are mounted on the covering so when removed, can’t see what’s behind.
The fixtures are attached with sheet metal screws. If backed with aluminum, I presume safe to put in new screws?
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09-27-2019, 08:49 PM
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Half a Rivet Short
2017 30' Classic
2022 Interstate 24X
Carlisle
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: May 2017
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueBelle
So there is an interior aluminum skin as well as the outside?
The covering (mouse fur) is glued to the interior skin?
The existing fixtures are mounted on the covering so when removed, can’t see what’s behind.
The fixtures are attached with sheet metal screws. If backed with aluminum, I presume safe to put in new screws?
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You will need to get wires to the fixtures. Without power you will not have any light. The hole the wires come through will give you a view of what's behind the fixture ( = is it clear or is there a big fat high power wire right there ....).
Airstreams (unless you have a very unusual one) have aluminum skins on both the inside and outside.
A more traditional approach is to simply leave the fixtures and replace the bulbs with LED equivalents.
Bob
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09-27-2019, 09:14 PM
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Airstringers
2023 23' Flying Cloud
Irving
, Texas
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by uncle_bob
Hi
You will need to get wires to the fixtures. Without power you will not have any light. The hole the wires come through will give you a view of what's behind the fixture ( = is it clear or is there a big fat high power wire right there ....).
Airstreams (unless you have a very unusual one) have aluminum skins on both the inside and outside.
A more traditional approach is to simply leave the fixtures and replace the bulbs with LED equivalents.
Bob
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I would consider using orig fixtures but all the plastic covers have shrunk and continually fall off (or won’t go back on)
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09-27-2019, 09:38 PM
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Rivet Master
2002 19' Bambi
Lafayette
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Join Date: May 2005
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Yes, there is aluminum behind the "mouse fur." Sheet metal screws are appropriate and the length should be adequate for the screw to go through the fixture and have the full diameter (not just the tapered point) in the aluminum. Drilling through the mouse fur requires care because the fibers can wrap around the drill bit. I prefer to use a sharp scratch awl and a hammer to punch modest holes in the proper location.
Tim
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09-28-2019, 01:08 AM
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3 Rivet Member
2003 25' Safari
Keizer
, Oregon
Join Date: Apr 2019
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A naked mouse!
I couldn't resist.
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09-28-2019, 01:31 AM
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Rivet Master
2007 22' International CCD
Corona
, California
Join Date: Jul 2013
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What’s behind the mouse fur.
Logitech sold a “naked mouse” for computers in the 70’s. My kids objected to the visible innards of the mouse, and gifted me a cover for it.
You guessed it. Gray fur, a black nose, googly eyes, and glasses just like mine at the time. It’s still around here somewhere even though it uses an RS-232 serial interface. Too cute to toss...
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09-28-2019, 10:24 AM
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Married with Airstream
2004 25' International CCD
Vancouver Island
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Join Date: Apr 2018
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mouse skin with very shiny characteristics once you shave it off
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09-28-2019, 12:01 PM
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Rivet Master
1999 34' Excella
Currently Looking...
Hillsboro
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Join Date: Feb 2013
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How about a picture or three...of the area of the trailer where you are having trouble...
There is an outer sheet (skin), buck riveted to the ribs (frame) which gives the shape... and buck rivets are solid and therefore stronger than most 'pop' rivets (unless you use aircraft spec). The wiring is installed, then there is 'insulation' if you want to call it that.. installed, then the inner sheeting (skin) is 'pop' riveted on the inside.
In our 1999 the 'mouse fur' was then applied to the inside (so rivets are now hidden).
On our ceiling we have a vinyl similar to car vinyl tops which were once popular (for our vintage in life... not just the Airstream).. Gives a nice home feel to us.. really don't care for the 'modern' Thermos bottle interior of the recent style. So, we are not old, we are classic.. =}
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09-28-2019, 01:52 PM
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Rivet Puller
2003 28' Safari S/O
Atlanta Burbs
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Join Date: Jul 2010
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This thread should help you comprehend what is behind the "mouse fur" (fuzzy carpeting glued to shell).
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f345...os-135680.html
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