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Old 01-02-2022, 12:14 PM   #1
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Tail Lights... Big Arses need Big Tail Lights

Why are the rear Tail Lights so small on such large rear ends of an Airstream?

Automobiles over the decades had the Tail Lights get larger, since the single red light over the license plate in the 1930's on many vehicles.

Some tail lights on current Automobile models fill the rear end like a "Don't Run Into My Rear End" warning. Huge.

VW's had small tail lights in the 1950's and at the rear end of sales... Big 'uns. Ohhhh Weeee. Big tail light changes from 1956 and 1964. Other European cars had the side lit flags between the doors in older European cars... very interesting idea.

Then blinking turn signals no doubt were... optional later and then standard. My
Dad stuck his arm out the window to signal. Straight out the window for Left. Up at a 90 degree angle for right. ...and I am not that old to remember.

Small tail lights seem to be stuck on the Airstream Bucket List... getting rid of small tail lights to keep the... weight down? Or a warehouse full of these things?

If WEIGHT is the issue. Less aluminum frame and more colorful plastic. Light bulbs are light. LED's... barely can find one if you drop it.

Give me Big Honking Tail Lights and keep these undersized ones as Ash Trays.
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Oh yes... the tail lights have to fit on the CURVE to maintain the integrity of the Frame. Maybe someone will figure it out and offer BIG ONES.
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Our BMW EV has huge tail lights that light up everything. If they burn out, they will cost a small fortune to replace.

Our Airstream has single round tail lights that look old but they are actually many LED’s and are quite bright.

I still use hand signals when riding the bike around town. I am sure that many drivers who share the road don’t know what I am doing with my hands and arms.

I am sure that this lack of hand signal knowledge is one reason why the tail lights are so big and bright and there are center lights as well so I you are not looking the 3 degrees off center towards the lights, you get an extra middle one so you can continue to stare straight on.

Now, with all the safety features and autonomous driving, the lights don’t matter as much!
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Old 01-02-2022, 01:43 PM   #3
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Just a guess, but I'm assuming that the answer to your 'why' question is simple - style.
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Old 01-02-2022, 03:20 PM   #4
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I’m okay with the tail lights, but I think the new Airstreams should have reverse lights like some of the old models. I don’t think they’re necessary to provide light behind the trailer as much as they are to alert others that the driver is reversing. It sometimes surprises me how many people drive or walk behind the Airstream when it’s quite obvious that I’m reversing.
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Old 01-02-2022, 04:45 PM   #5
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PERSONALLY, I would like back up lights on the Airstream. It is hard to see what’s going on when backing up at night or into a darker garage. And I would put those lights on the side, so that when looking through the side mirrors you can see what’s on the sides. I am Ok with the tail lights. The amber lights on top make it pretty visible.
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Start a Dead End Thread and then....

Daquenzer and Dennis hit home runs.

I do not know if the plug to the vehicle would handle it, but two great ideas and no body else thought of it.

Thanks for participating.
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Old 01-02-2022, 05:58 PM   #7
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Daquenzer and Dennis hit home runs.

I do not know if the plug to the vehicle would handle it, but two great ideas and no body else thought of it.

Thanks for participating.
The center pin in 7-Way connectors is for backup lights.

See https://www.etrailer.com/faq-wiring....%20-%207%20Way for example. (Ignore the stuff at the top, scroll down to the images of 7-Way RV Standard.)

I didn't realize that the new Airstreams didn't have backup lights.
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Old 01-03-2022, 10:52 AM   #8
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+1 for backup lights on our trailers.

Why a center brake light is not required on trailers?

Obviously, the trailer blocks view of the TV's center brake light. So ... wouldn't it make sense to require a center brake light on the back of the trailer?
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Old 01-03-2022, 11:50 AM   #9
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+1 for backup lights on our trailers.

Why a center brake light is not required on trailers?

Obviously, the trailer blocks view of the TV's center brake light. So ... wouldn't it make sense to require a center brake light on the back of the trailer?
A center brake light would require a change in wiring standard, (seems like they are still trying to get some manufacturers to follow the current standard decades after it came out) and then trying to get backward compatibility. Using diodes would leave the center light flashing if signaling and not breaking. Could still have another more centered set of lights.
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PERSONALLY, I would like back up lights on the Airstream. It is hard to see what’s going on when backing up at night or into a darker garage. And I would put those lights on the side, so that when looking through the side mirrors you can see what’s on the sides. I am Ok with the tail lights. The amber lights on top make it pretty visible.
Our 2022 Classic 33 has (will have if it ever gets delivered) back-up lights. I don't know when they started doing that - and I've only seen it on the Classics.
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You could always install these...they have an option to connect the circuit to your brake circuit and turn on all the red led lights when you hit your brakes. I think they'd see you
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The back-up lights on our 97 Excella Classic have helped several time when backing into a wooded spot at night and provides a good warning for other behind. If you have ever gone to a Nascar Race and parked, they gives the very happy slightly impaired people a fighting chance.

The large aluminum bezel sets us apart from the Stick and Tin campers with universal stick-on tail lights.
If Airstream was to make a change let them make the coach 2 to 4 inches taller.
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Our 2022 Classic 33 has (will have if it ever gets delivered) back-up lights. I don't know when they started doing that - and I've only seen it on the Classics.
My 1994 Excella has back up lights. Surprised to hear that not all trailers built since then have them.

If you don't have backup lights, it would be really easy to add them. There is a pin on the 7-wire plug for them, and a single hot lead to the rear of the trailer is all that's needed to add them. Lots of retro looking reverse lights out there which can be surface mounted to the rear of the trailer. You could probably rig some under the bumper which are not visible when off, but they likely wouldn't light up as well.
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My 07 classis has backup lights. They were just incandescent bulbs in a black housing. I fashioned concave stainless reflectors and installed the brightest LEDs I could find. A real advantage when backing into a site after dark.

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My 07 classis has backup lights. They were just incandescent bulbs in a black housing. I fashioned concave stainless reflectors and installed the brightest LEDs I could find. A real advantage when backing into a site after dark.

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Old 01-03-2022, 06:31 PM   #16
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I assume you want night? That'll have to wait a couple weeks till I hitch up. I suppose I could jump the 7 way, but its 15* out....so......

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How much do think was saved by dropping the backup lights on the newer trailers? A couple of fixtures and a wire and some time to install them. Pretty easy to implement while running the other wires.

Airstream could have just keep them as a option next to the extra battery and 90W panel.

Maybe a middle brake light as an option too.

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Hopefully the trend of the annoying flashing third brake light doesn’t make it to Airstreams. Between those and people who drive with their four way flashers because it’s raining I don’t know which is more annoying.
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Ummm

If some moron crashes into the “large rear end” of your big SHINY, iconic, eye-catching Airstream, then bigger lights probably would make no difference!

Don’t worry about it.
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Newer Airstream trailers have LED tail and brake lights that are much brighter than the older incandescent lights were. They're adequate in my opinion. Its pretty easy to add additional lighting and I would if you still have older bulb style lights.
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