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01-26-2021, 10:20 PM
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1 Rivet Member 
2018 20' Flying Cloud
Bethlehem
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: Apr 2019
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New batteries
I have a 2018 flying cloud Bambi 20 ft . My batteries are going down to about 9v and when I plug into 20ampshore power only charges to 12 ish...
my question is it worth it just to swap out the lifeline batteries ?I do have solar one panel and a 1000 W… I called the dealer to see what lithium batteries would cost but the whole package is about $4500… That’s not in budget right now… My question is should I just replace with the same batteries? Is upgrading to lithium really worth that much money? Thanks Andrea
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01-27-2021, 12:02 AM
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TahoeStream'n
2019 23' International
La Habra
, California
Join Date: Jul 2007
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The lifeline batteries should last longer than only a few years however, they do have a excellent warranty that is prorated so they shouldn’t cost a lot if they are indeed bad. Find your nearest dealership and take them there for testing. You’ll need to verify if your charging system in your trailer is working correctly. If you don’t have a multimeter go and buy one and start checking your voltages in the circuit breaker distribution box. Look for the converter manual that came with your trailer.
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2019 23CB International
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01-27-2021, 08:45 AM
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1 Rivet Member 
2005 25' International CCD
Dallas
, TX
Join Date: Oct 2020
Posts: 13
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4500 for lithium? for that money you can get 2 100ah battleborn and keep around 2K in your pocket. granted u'll need a new converter to charge it but 4500...?
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01-27-2021, 08:58 AM
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Chelsea
, Maine
Join Date: Aug 2016
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Sam’s Club has a deal on batteries most every spring. Watch for their sale, and pick up two 6v golf cart batteries. Bring in your old batteries to avoid a core charge. Instant, inexpensive upgrade.
Hook them up in series, obviously.
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01-27-2021, 09:48 AM
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Rivet Master 
1988 25' Excella
1987 32' Excella
Knoxville
, Tennessee
Join Date: Oct 2010
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I would say unless you know you need lithium to just replace what you have. Maybe take a look at why they have gone bad.
I do not have lithiums but I have been looking and plotting. Lithiums give you double or a little more usable capacity than lead acid. Lithiums charge faster and more completely when running the generator. I am sure they charge better on solar. That might actually work out to 3 times the usable capacity. Is that "worth it".? I dunno, I am still on the fence. 10 years ago when we did a lot more camping and boon docking it would certainly have been. Now with my CPAP it might be. With Battle Born batteries it looks like about a $3000 conversion to do it myself. Batteries plus converter plus monitor plus DC to DC converter plus new cables.
Has anybody had a defective lithium battery yet or had one to fail? I can see limping around all summer trying to get a replacement?
Currently I am thinking maybe just put a pair of AGM's or flooded cell in and kick the decision down the road for a while. I could use them in my boat if I decide to make the big change for some reason.
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01-27-2021, 10:49 AM
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Rivet Master 

2004 28' Classic
Monument
, Colorado
Join Date: Nov 2015
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You can get good lithium 100 Ah now for about $600, like SOKs. Take a look on Amazon. Look at the Will Prose reviews and teardown.
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2004 Airstream Classic 28 "Willard"
2014 Ford F150 FX4 Ecoboost
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01-27-2021, 12:04 PM
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Rivet Master 
1972 25' Tradewind
1976 31' Excella 500
1974 31' Excella 500
1975 24' Argosy 24
Denver
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Join Date: Jul 2015
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If you are looking for the cheapest band aid until you can find a "real" solution, Costco sells golf cart 6v batteries with a good warranty for $100 a piece (you would need two).
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2006 Jeep Liberty CRD (diesel)
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01-27-2021, 08:51 PM
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Rivet Master 

2007 22' International CCD
Corona
, California
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 8,595
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Sam’s Club also sells decent GC-2 size 6 volt batteries. Advantage of golf cart battery is that you can get them darn near anywhere.
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'The Silver HamShack' ('07 International 22FB CCD 75th Anniversary)
Multiple Yaesu Ham Radios inside and many antennae sprouting from roof, ProPride hitch, Prodigy P2 controller.
2012 shortbed CrewMax 4x4 Toyota Tacoma TV with more antennae on it.
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01-27-2021, 09:39 PM
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1 Rivet Member 
2018 20' Flying Cloud
Bethlehem
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: Apr 2019
Posts: 12
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Thank you
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01-27-2021, 10:11 PM
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Rivet Master 

2017 22' Sport
NCR
, Ontario
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 2,413
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Lion batteries are far less expensive over their whole lifetime ie TCO
though lead acid is cheaper as a purchase, they don't last as long and and their lifetime goes down as you pass the 50% capacity consumption mark
where as lion can go down to 10% without harm
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01-27-2021, 10:24 PM
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Rivet Master 

2007 22' International CCD
Corona
, California
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 8,595
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Quote:
Originally Posted by waninae39
Lion batteries are far less expensive over their whole lifetime ie TCO
though lead acid is cheaper as a purchase, they don't last as long and and their lifetime goes down as you pass the 50% capacity consumption mark
where as lion can go down to 10% without harm
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Very true, but I can buy a lot of lead acid for the modest loads I power at the moment.
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Multiple Yaesu Ham Radios inside and many antennae sprouting from roof, ProPride hitch, Prodigy P2 controller.
2012 shortbed CrewMax 4x4 Toyota Tacoma TV with more antennae on it.
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