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Old 07-21-2022, 10:04 AM   #1
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Front Compartment Rivet Size

I've had 3 rivets pop on the edge of our front storage compartment following a wind storm. Can anyone point me in the right direction for what type/size rivet I need to use to replace them?


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Old 07-22-2022, 06:31 AM   #2
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I've had 3 rivets pop on the edge of our front storage compartment following a wind storm. Can anyone point me in the right direction for what type/size rivet I need to use to replace them?


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Sorry I canít help with your question, but this does seem possibly related to the concerns over the structural integrity of the front compartment in other active threads. A recent post has a schematic that might specify rivets for a model similar to yours.
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Old 07-22-2022, 07:58 AM   #3
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Sorry I canít help with your question, but this does seem possibly related to the concerns over the structural integrity of the front compartment in other active threads. A recent post has a schematic that might specify rivets for a model similar to yours.



Can you point me in the direction of the relevant thread?
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Old 07-22-2022, 08:35 AM   #4
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Forum user starlite29 posted some great photos showing the area of interest:
https://www.airforums.com/forums/f44...ck-233124.html

I also noticed some sheared heads at the lower corners of our forward storage locker. Iíve had an unsatisfying exchange with Airstream Support trying to get the specification for the original solid rivet that holds the flange to the shell. I was trying to determine if these particular rivets extended into a structural angle or not. Support recommended Olympic rivets as a replacement (but they were out of stock). Iím not convinced the split bodies of the Olympic rivet are up to the task at this location. Olympics are pretty but if the head sheared off a solid rivet I think Iím looking for something stronger.

Iím waiting on my order from RivetsOnline.com, I ordered PR58ASPAA,5/32Ē with a grip length up to .500Ē


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Old 07-22-2022, 08:52 AM   #5
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Iím waiting on my order from RivetsOnline.com, I ordered PR58ASPAA,5/32Ē with a grip length up to .500Ē


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Great info. Curious how you're going to seal them?
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Old 07-22-2022, 09:02 AM   #6
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A dab of sealant on the surface of the body when inserted. The mandrel is captured by the rivet body so it won't leak but as it's steel, I'll dab a bit of sealant over the rivet head after the rivet is "pulled". I will also consider a small o-ring under the head of the rivet before insertion as a sealing option.



There are plenty of "bulbtite" rivets available online but with the stresses in this location and the concerns of front end separation, this is my current plan.



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Old 07-22-2022, 12:44 PM   #7
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Forum user starlite29 posted some great photos showing the area of interest:
https://www.airforums.com/forums/f44...ck-233124.html

I also noticed some sheared heads at the lower corners of our forward storage locker. Iíve had an unsatisfying exchange with Airstream Support trying to get the specification for the original solid rivet that holds the flange to the shell. I was trying to determine if these particular rivets extended into a structural angle or not. Support recommended Olympic rivets as a replacement (but they were out of stock). Iím not convinced the split bodies of the Olympic rivet are up to the task at this location. Olympics are pretty but if the head sheared off a solid rivet I think Iím looking for something stronger.

Iím waiting on my order from RivetsOnline.com, I ordered PR58ASPAA,5/32Ē with a grip length up to .500Ē


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Interestingly, I'm missing the exact 3 rivets just on opposite sides.
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Old 07-22-2022, 12:47 PM   #8
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I had the same two rivets on the street side corner of the front compartment pop on mine as well (25' FC fbt). The dealer replaced them with Olympic rivets which also popped out shortly thereafter. Also, the sealant directly below looked like it was cracking or separating between the panel and the belt line. I emailed Airstream support with photos and asked what the is going on here? Here's what they said:

I am sorry you are having this issue. I suggest contacting our dealer and let them know that the issue is not resolved and the rivets have popped back out. For the sealant, that is Acryl-R bead sealant. For this I would suggest getting a can and applicator of your own, as sealants are the responsibility of the owner of the unit, and most commonly does not fall into warranty repairs. I have included a link to the product you will need for the seal. Let me know if I can do anything else for you. Have a good day.


I replied back telling him that the unit was new as of February and the sealant should still be good, and asked if this is a sign of front end separation. He said that my trailer is not showing signs, as the panel usually creases at the corners of the door before any rivets pop. I'm suspicious because I think if the rivets hadn't popped then the panel would have creased.
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Old 07-25-2022, 09:36 AM   #9
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Titus,
I see you're still under warranty. I recommend you make this a trip to dealer or better yet, Jackson Center for rivet replacement; since it could be part of a bigger issue i.e. front end integrity.
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TitusNW,
I had the same two rivets on the street side corner of the front compartment pop on mine as well (25' FC fbt). The dealer replaced them with Olympic rivets which also popped out shortly thereafter. Also, the sealant directly below looked like it was cracking or separating between the panel and the belt line. I emailed Airstream support with photos and asked what the is going on here? Here's what they said:

I am sorry you are having this issue. I suggest contacting our dealer and let them know that the issue is not resolved and the rivets have popped back out. For the sealant, that is Acryl-R bead sealant. For this I would suggest getting a can and applicator of your own, as sealants are the responsibility of the owner of the unit, and most commonly does not fall into warranty repairs. I have included a link to the product you will need for the seal. Let me know if I can do anything else for you. Have a good day.


I replied back telling him that the unit was new as of February and the sealant should still be good, and asked if this is a sign of front end separation. He said that my trailer is not showing signs, as the panel usually creases at the corners of the door before any rivets pop. I'm suspicious because I think if the rivets hadn't popped then the panel would have creased.


Looks like they were left out intentionally, maybe to provide some movement to prevent some sort of stress.
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Just an FYI, the solid shank rivets that Airstream uses are what is called an "A" rivet. The alloy is 1100 aluminum which is pretty close to pure aluminum which is the softest aluminium rivets available. They are not considered structural in my aviation world..

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